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Condensed Version: Should you hire Poker Refugees to find your next rental property abroad?

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One of the most important things that poker players worldwide need when they travel or relocate is accommodations. Short term, long term, houses, apartments, condos, roommates - this is the foundation of being able to travel and live abroad. 

Sit back & relax - We got this #Rosarito

We have helped nearly 500 poker players with this to-date. In the years pre-Black Friday, we helped thousands of Americans, Europeans and other citizens rent or purchase property in Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua, Mexico etc. 

The main inquiry we receive on email is "Can you show me some rental properties?" The answer is that we can, but we charge a fee for this because we are a consulting and relocation company - not a real estate company. It's a completely different approach and different service. Instead of having a website full of properties passively sitting online, we go out and do a proactive, customized search for each player. The next question we receive is "Why should I pay Poker Refugees when a realtor will work for free?" Here is the answer: 


1. Representation & Conflict of Interest: The structure of the real estate and rental industry is completely flawed we think you'd agree. Realtors, rental agents, etc all work on commission and the owners pay commission. That means they work for the owners. It's completely illogical that these agents should also represent the person looking for a property. So the buyer/renter/tenant hires a realtor "for free" to find him a property that meets his needs. The only problem is, you get what you pay for (in this case, nothing). The realtor will only show a client properties that s/he can earn money on and direct commission on. This limits the inventory that the renter/buyer will see. For the renter to get a comprehensive view of the market, he would have to go to 10, 20, 100 realtors and also pore over classifieds and countless other online sources to get an accurate picture of what is realistically available. The current model is backwards and results in tenants always getting a limited selection of properties to choose from and puts upward pressure on prices. The more realtors involved, the higher the commission because they all want a piece. This is the only industry we can think of that is set up this way. It's utter insanity. 

Have you ever told a rental agent your budget then they showed you a ton of properties that were above it? Maybe they even said there was nothing available in your price range? That's because they want to make more money. The more expensive the property, the better, although that's not in your best interest; it's in theirs. 

How is Poker Refugees different? We don't represent owners. We don't rely on commission. We work for our clients like a Renter Agent. We represent one side of the deal. We charge our clients a fee to cover our time searching. We are able to find lower-priced properties without any commission added on top most of the time. We find good deals and fairly priced rental options that are not intentionally inflated.


2. No Licensing Requirements in Developing Countries: Anyone can decide to be a realtor or rental agent in places like Costa Rica, Mexico and pretty much any developing country. There are no restrictions or licensing requirements. Is it really safe to fork your hard earned money over to an unknown local or foreign agent and hope for the best? This is a major problem that results in: 

  • Unqualified, untrained people posing as realtors and rental agents
  • Firms that don't have any known reputation or track records in most cases
  • Rampant unethical behavior by agents and brokers (short-term mindset)
  • Unlicensed brokers, many managing international franchise chains
  • High turnover (people disappear - a lot)
  • Foreigners who decide to make extra money on the side from commissions
  • Foreigners who are partaking in this industry for the wrong reasons and have shady pasts
  • Scam artists and "comisionistas" who put up websites with fake properties
  • Zero accountability if something goes wrong
  • No accountable ethics bureau or licensing board to report complaints to
  • Little to no legal recourse whatsoever

How is Poker Refugees different? With over 10 years of experience in this market, we know who to work with and who to avoid. We became licensed voluntarily back in 2006. We also have a history and accountability with firms and individuals that foreigners wouldn't have. Many firms are black listed and we refuse to work with them due to our knowledge of their poor reputations. We know how to vet new sources and follow detailed internal procedures to drastically reduce or eliminate the possibility of scams, theft, or any negative experiences for our clients. We are also accountable to our clients and during very isolated, rare situations in the past, we have reimbursed players for any hardships they faced that were preventable by us in any way.  

If we weren't doing a good job, you would know about it because the poker industry is so small. Poker Refugees is the only global relocation company for poker players so if a client is upset for any reason, he will blog or post about it in a forum. Meanwhile, there are millions of shady realtors on the planet and there are simply too many to keep track of and publicly denounce. So they keep getting away with it. 


3. Limited Selection of Properties: This goes back to point #1 and the inherent conflict of interest. An agent may know of some perfect properties to fit your needs, but if they don't have direct access to those owners, they have to share their commission 50/50 or possibly earn no commission. Your dream home is probably out there, but you'll never see it unless the agent you went through represents it and has a commission agreement with the owner. An agent will never show you a property they can't earn money on, or they really are working for free. The only way for renters and buyers to view a large volume of properties is to manually search on their own or go to many different agents. This is extremely time consuming and unrealistic for most people. 

How is Poker Refugees different? 
  • We have a database of thousands of owners, property managers, rental agencies and other sources, all of whom we have either already worked with before and vetted or have a history and accountability with. We can reach hundreds of sources in one day, something that would take people months or years of time to accomplish. For each client we reach out en masse to our entire list for the corresponding destination. We are your direct contact, one source portal to reach a huge number of sources on your behalf. 
  • We know market prices and comps and we know when agents are lying
  • We don't care what your budget is because we don't rely on commissions - it can be $250/month or $5,000/month. Meanwhile, agents want your budget to be higher so they make more money on the rental. 
  • We have a lot of experience at this. We are efficient and effective. This level of expertise is not attainable overnight. 
  • We are neutral to the property our players rent. We don't care if a property is commissionable or not: We will not limit the search based on commissions. We search everywhere from online classifieds to vacation rental sites to Airbnb and beyond to find the perfect property for our clients. That's why so many hire us repeatedly for their property needs. 

4. Misleading Photos: Have you ever rented a property based on photos then showed up and found something totally different? If you are renting properties online, this is a very probable scenario. By the time you show up, you've already paid a non-refundable deposit at a minimum so there's very little you can do. Or - maybe you found the perfect property and price only to contact the agent and realize it was already booked? It was likely a fake property to generate inquiries so they can rent you something else. The proverbial carrot on a stick/fish on the line. 

How is Poker Refugees different? We know many agents and even more properties so we've probably already vetted a property by the time we show it to you, but if there is ever a question, we will send one of our reps to view the property on your behalf and make sure it's legit. Because we spend all day every day searching for properties, we even know which ads are fake, recognize photos or can tell simply from the listing content or from talking to the owner or rep. Our clients have never been exposed to this risk because we protect them from it. 


5. Stolen Rent Funds & Security Deposits: If you've ever had a security deposit stolen, you know this is a costly situation. The deposit is usually equivalent to 1 month's rent, which can be a pretty hefty loss. Deposits are stolen all the time for a variety of reasons, but usually because you are dealing with unethical people, realtors who don't care or because the proper precautions weren't taken in advance. Other times, rent deposits are stolen from fraudulent property reps or listings. 

See below for tips on how to get your security deposit back.*

How is Poker Refugees different? Agents usually don't try to steal our clients' deposits without just cause because they know us. Also, we take all the steps possible before you move in to ensure that you can get your deposit back, hassle-free. We also thoroughly check out properties, owners and reps before our clients send money to ensure their funds are never stolen or misplaced. 


6. Inflated Prices: If you've read this far you definitely get it by now - agents are systemically motivated to inflate rent prices because they make more money that way. They don't genuinely want to negotiate the rate down much for you because it takes money out of their own pocket. 

How is Poker Refugees different?Same story - we work on a different model. If you hire us to find a a studio for you in Rosarito for $200/month, we will do it. If you hire us to find a poker mansion for you and 10 of your friends in Playa del Carmen, we can do it. A downtown loft in Vancouver? We got this. If you hire us to find a roommate for you or a room in someone else's poker house, we can also do it. We can find a sublets, flat shares and more that agents can't do because they can't make a living that way. They will gladly find a penthouse or mansion for you but they won't help you source a shared property or anything under $1,000/mo for the most part. 


So there you have it - the most common issues finding a decent rental property, how to overcome them, and why Poker Refugees = saving massive time, money and headaches. 

These situations may be less exaggerated in 1st world countries such as Canada or the UK, but overall the letting and industry structures are still the same, just with more regulation and accountability. 

Our clients can attest that it's +EV to hire Poker Refugees for your search so you get peace of mind and a good outcome every time, while saving yourself a ton of time. 


Want help finding a rental property? Contact info@pokerrefugees.com




*Security deposit tips:

  • Be informed about local laws. Know how much your landlord is allowed to charge as a security deposit. It may be less than you think. 
  • Be proactive. Discuss the terms for retaining and paying back the deposit before you move in. Agents will jump as high as you need and bend over backwards for you (before you pay any money) to make sure you will rent their property over others. Once they are paid, you're probably on your own, but make them work for it in advance. 
  • Have an independent party or your own lawyer review the rental agreement. Specifically check for language regarding the security deposit and make sure you're in agreement with the terms.
  • Make sure you know who is responsible for the bills and what the timeline is to return your deposit upon check-out and the method in which it is being returned (should be returned in the same way you paid it: cash for cash, transfer for transfer, same currency, etc) 
  • Do an inspection of the property upon check-in and take photos of anything that is broken, dirty or damaged. 
  • Fill out an inventory upon check-in and keep this for the first few days while you adjust to the house, then email a copy of this and any photos to the rep and landlord with all pre-existing damages documented. Make sure the rep or owner also signs and acknowledges this! 
  • Abide by all the clauses in the contract, especially notifying if you are extending or when you are moving out accordingly (usually there is a 30- or 60-day clause about this). Make sure that the owner and rep know when you are moving out and that they are there for check out and to facilitate return of your deposit. 
  • Make sure all bills are paid and up to date (if you are responsible for them) so these won't be deducted from the deposit and provide receipts to avoid delays in returning your deposit. 
  • Return the property in the same condition it was provided to you in - hopefully clean. Don't give them an obvious reason to charge you for any damage

Poker Refugees Testimonial & Player Interview: Anton Smolyanskiy

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Former pre-Black Friday 2010 WCOOP Champ and current US "poker refugee", Anton 'Antoshka' Smolyanskiy finally got back to online poker abroad in Tamarindo, Costa Rica during 2014, and he seems to be having a good time.

Anton is one of our Poker Refugees clients who arrived to CR alone at first for his poker relocation. He tried getting set up for online poker on his own, then reached out for assistance after encountering some of the typical roadblocks with documents, banking, poker sites and so on. 

We are happy to have met him and been able to help him start his journey back to online poker on PokerStars, Full Tilt and other sites from tropical Tamarindo. 



Meet Anton: 

Poker Name/types of games you play: 
Antoshka@Pokerstars, Antoshka@Fulltilt. NLHE tournaments is my main game.


Poker Refugees:How did you make the decision to move to Costa Rica versus other destinations for online poker? 
Anton:  I chose Costa Rica due to the time zone, climate, cost of living and safety concerns. I visited here before quitting my job just to see what it’s like, and I liked what I saw.


PR: At what point during the relocation did you choose to hire Poker Refugees and why? 
A: I considered Poker Refugees from the start, but upon arriving in Tamarindo decided to try to talk to local lawyers on my own. That didn’t lead anywhere, so I felt I had no credible options other than Refugees.


PR:How did you find the experience with Poker Refugees regarding getting set up in your new home of Tamarindo, with a bank account, e-wallets and back on Pokerstars versus trying things on your own? 
A: Well… one worked and one didn’t. That’s a fairly major difference right there. Also, the speed with which things happened with the local lawyer – it wasn’t to my liking. Kristin was much more prompt with communications.


PR: We can certainly attest to that! People refer to this as "Tico Time" down there. We noticed that you have been very adventurous during your downtime; it seems like every time we talk you are learning Spanish or off to an island or a turtle preserve :) What are your favorite activities in Tamarindo outside of online poker? 
A: I haven’t really been adventurous at all. Just visiting beaches, nothing interesting. Planning to get more active in 2015.


PR:Do you regret your decision to come abroad for any reason or has it been a positive life experience? 
A: Ha, no regrets at all. I looooove not working. I enjoyed my time in the Spanish school and plan to go back. I met a lot of new people. The highlight perhaps was being crammed in an old taxi with 6 other people I met the day before, sitting on top of each other, going to some unknown beach.


PR: Has living abroad changed your perspective on “home” and if so, how?
A: No, not so much. I emigrated from Russia to New York when I was 16, so this isn’t really that much of a change in that regard. Just today I realized that Costa Rica isn’t some exotic place for me anymore – it’s just a place where I happen to live for a bit. It’s not that much different – you try to find some food, a place to live, some people to talk with and activities to do. And then…you live there.


PR: Awesome! That's what we are trying to promote - that anyone can live abroad and have a normal, pleasant life. What advice would you give to a poker player who’s thinking of moving out of his or her home country? 

A: A couple of years ago I was chatting with a man at a poker table in Las Vegas, and mentioned that I was considering leaving my job and going abroad to play online poker. He said something that I believe to be true – most people overestimate the magnitude of possible “mistakes” they make in life. If a move abroad turns out to be a wrong decision for you – you most often can reverse it with little long-term harm done. I am yet to see how easily reversible my decision may be, but I think it’s something for everyone to keep in mind. 

PR: We can't agree more. When I was first presented with the ability to move abroad in 2005, I asked my friends, family and parents' friends for advice. All of my 20-something friends told me to stay and get a corporate job, while all of the elders told me to go travel.  I figured they knew more than us youngsters. 10 years later, I am still enjoying life abroad and traveling the world. You can always go back, but taking that first step is the hardest yet most rewarding part. - Poker Refugees Founder, Kristin Wilson 

Thanks for sharing your story and tips, Anton, and glgl in the land of Pura Vida!



Poker Player Interview & Poker Refugees Testimonial: Mathieu Kuhne

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Mathieu moves to Jacó, Costa Rica for Online Poker with Poker Refugees




Poker Name/types of games you play: 
Frenchy_pwns, play mostly mtt and sng up to $300.


Poker Refugees: What were the factors that attracted you to come to Costa Rica for online poker?  How far in advance of your relocation date did you consider making this move? 
Mathieu: Why Costa Rica: I'd done volunteer work in the country and backpacked through Central America; Costa Rica seemed the most reliable place regarding solid internet and quality of life.  Living on the beach is also pretty sweet.  

I had wanted to move abroad to play for several years and the timing was finally right so I decided to give it a try.

#LifesGood


PR: At what point during the relocation did you choose to hire Poker Refugees and why
M: I actually was already in the process of moving to Costa Rica when I contacted Poker Refugees... I was hoping that I could do all of the necessary steps to re-activate my row accounts but I was so wrong.  Opening a bank account is basically impossible without help and the connections that Poker Refugees has.  

The entire process of getting set up literally took less than a week and was very easy, everyone that I interacted with was incredibly nice and helpful.

Everyone loves Poker Refugees!


PR: How did you find the experience with Poker Refugees regarding getting set up in your new home, with a bank account, e-wallets and back on Pokerstars compared to trying things on your own? Do you feel like getting assistance with a poker relocation is a worthwhile investment and saved you time and hassles?  
M: Definitely (same as above). Really worth it. I know because I tried with and without them. 


PR: What is a typical day in the life like for you in Jacó? 
M: My typical day (if I didn't stay out until 4am the night before) is walking a block to the bakery for some coffee and pastries, grinding a few hours, then hanging out on the beach or going out for dinner/drinks.

Don't mind if we do...

PR: Not bad! Sounds like a pretty nice routine that anyone could get used to. What are the best parts about living in Costa Rica that you have found? 
A: Living in Costa Rica is easy since people here are all really friendly and for some reason genuinely care about other people having a good time.  The cost of living is also cheaper than the States and it's never cold.


PR: That's true - Costa Rica is known for having the best climate zones in the world! Are you glad you relocated for online poker overall?  How has it been a positive life experience compared to staying in the US? 
M: I'm very happy that I relocated to play poker, there is way more money to be made on the big poker sites and living abroad is great.



PR: What advice would you give to a poker player who’s thinking of moving out of the US? 
M: If you're thinking of moving out of the US for poker, use Poker Refugees because trying to do it yourself is incredibly hard and if definitely won't save you money.


PR: Do you have any other feedback or anything to add about your experience having relocated thus far? Anything you want readers to know or any shout outs? 


Thank you Mathieu for giving Poker Refugees a try and for sharing details about your experience moving to Costa Rica for online poker




Poker Refugees Player Interview & Testimonial: Elena Stover "thegroupie" on PokerStars

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The majority of Poker Refugees clients (and poker players in general) are of the male variety, let's face it. But with the increase in the game's overall popularity and the lovely ladies promoting it, more females have started to take notice and put their talent to good use.


Although still a minority in the poker world, we are always excited to help fellow female pros relocate for their poker careers, and PokerStars women blog contributor Elena Stover ('thegroupie') was no exception. 



Elena Stover


We helped Elena move to Playa del Carmen, Mexico before WCOOP this year and here she is to tell the tale of her online poker relocation. Enjoy!


Bienvenidos to Playa del Carmen, Mexico


Poker Refugees (PR): What is your online name and what types of games do you play? 
Elena Stover (ES): thegroupie/multi table tournaments

PR: You have traveled all around the world for online poker. How did you get started and how long have you been playing? 

ES: 
I got into poker after I finished my Ph.D. in Cognitive Neuroscience in 2009 at UCLA. In my dissertation research, I used neuroimaging to study how different areas of the brain work together when people make risky decisions. When I started learning how to play poker, I found out that the strategy involved many of the same concepts that I’d been studying in the context of neural decision-making mechanisms. Having this background in behavioral economics and decision theory provided a good foundation for picking up the mathematical fundamentals of poker strategy. 

Elena playing live at PCA Bahamas
Since Black Friday I’ve been dividing my time between playing poker and working as an adjunct professor teaching undergraduate classes on research methods. In 2013 I relocated to the UK to play online for several months, and I’ve also done a fair bit of traveling to play live tournaments in both Europe and North America. This year has been my best ever in terms of my poker results, so I felt ready to take the next step and relocate abroad to play full time. 


PR: What an impressive background! Wow! 

As a US citizen, how did you make the decision to move to Mexico versus other destinations for online poker? What were you looking for in a destination? 


ES:
Initially I was all about Canada. I’ve visited Montreal many times over the years, and this spring and summer I took several extended trips up there for the purpose of playing online. When I returned from the WSOP in July I decided I would begin looking for an apartment in Montreal. However, the more I began to research relocation in depth, the less appealing Canada became. 


South of the Border
The big problem with Canada is that US citizens can only stay there six months out of a calendar year, and although the people who inhabit Canada are very nice, their government really doesn’t want us up in their country that much. I’d already experienced my share of interrogations at the border, and it didn’t help that right at the time I was looking at apartments, Pokerstars abruptly pulled their sponsorship from a major live tournament series in Montreal that I’d been planning to play. There was even speculation that Pokerstars might be forced to pull out of the Canadian market entirely after the Amaya takeover went into effect. 

That combination of factors steered me southward and made Mexico a clear choice. 


PR: Makes a lot of sense. At what point during your relocation plans did you choose to hire Poker Refugees and why? 

ES:
As soon as I decided to move to Mexico, I knew I would need help with the relocation process. I’d never been there before and I knew that my rudimentary Spanish skills from 8th grade weren’t going to cut it for complex interactions like renting an apartment or opening a bank account. Once I started talking to Kristin, I realized that she would be able to provide all the services I needed – and many that I didn’t even know I would need! I was immediately impressed with her extensive and detailed knowledge on all the intricacies involved with getting set up to play online poker from Mexico.

PR: We're blushing! So what did you find were the most valuable aspects of using a company like Poker Refugees to plan your relocation, especially on a short timeframe?  

ES:
Pretty much everything! There are so many things Poker Refugees took care of that either would have taken me weeks to figure out, or that I would simply not have been able to do on my own. All of the things that needed to be done on the ground in Mexico, from the apartment searchto setting up my cable internet connection, as well as the online tasks like providing the proper relocation documents for the online poker sites. Each of these steps would have been either difficult or impossible for me to do without the help of Poker Refugees. 

Elena enjoying her penthouse rooftop!

PR: Definitely; those are the reasons we started providing these services. It's a steep (and expensive) learning curve for players otherwise! 

What are your accommodations like in Playa and they meet your needs? Did your apartment exceed your expectations compared to other properties you saw before arrival and in person? David 'Bakes' Baker contacted us as he was impressed with your Playa digs!  

ES: 
The apartment definitely exceeded my expectations. It’s a risk to rent a place without seeing it first, but I was impressed with Kristin’s level of competence in navigating the local rental listings and finding places that would suit the specific needs of an online poker player. Once I settled on an apartment, Kristin did a fantastic job interfacing between me, the owner of the property, and the property managers on location to ensure that everything was ready for my arrival.

Private Pool View from Rooftop Deck


PR: We had some big challenges at the beginning of your arrival since the property you rented didn’t have a dedicated internet connection (despite having other cool features like a rooftop deck and pool). 

Were you satisfied with our ability to expedite and increase the speed as well as connect your apartment to a direct cable line and how has the reliability been since these changes were made compared to when you first arrived? 

ES: 
These services were critical in getting set up and allowing me to begin playing online as quickly as possible. While I love chilling on my roof and suntanning, the issue with setting up the internet connection was something that would have been impossible for me to handle on my own. With the exception of a couple outages here and there, the cable internet connection that Kristin’s technician set up for me was completely reliable, and every online poker player knows how crucial that is. 

PR: What are your favorite activities in Playa during your free time outside of online poker or what is a typical day for you like? 
Out on the town in Playa

ES: 
When I’m in Playa I make work a priority, so I’m probably more of a hermit than your average player. On a typical day I am usually playing pretty late, but I will take a night off now and then to check out the local restaurants and bars. My favorite thing is heading over to Club de la Cerveza where they usually have some 60’s music pumping on the stereo and a Belgian trappist beer waiting for me.

PR: Club de la Cerveza is definitely a local poker player hot spot! What is your favorite thing overall about living in Playa del Carmen? 

ES: 
I love the palm trees and the sun and even the occasional apocalyptic thunderstorms. It’s the Caribbean; people with 9-5 jobs save up their vacation days in order to travel there for one week out of the year. Being able to live and work in Playa makes me continually appreciative of how much freedom I have in my career as an online poker player. Plus, even if you have a bad day at the tables, nothing is ever really that bad when you live in a tropical paradise. 

Playa = Paradise


PR: Do you feel that there are any challenges being a female poker player living in Playa
overall or integrating with the local poker community? 

ES: 
As far as I know I’m the only female player who has relocated to Playa, and that has made me somewhat cautious when it comes to getting to know the other local players. There aren’t a lot of women in the poker community, and sometimes I feel like guys regard the idea of a female online grinder as a curious or even dubious prospect. Some guys also assume that behind every girl who plays poker, there must be some sugar daddy bankrolling her. Thankfully I have met a couple of nice gentlemen in Playa who don’t buy into such stereotypes and interact with me as an equal. I’ll probably branch out and get more friendly with my colleagues as I start feeling more comfortable and less like “the one girl” in Playa! 



PR: What advice would you give to a poker player who’s thinking of moving out of their home country and thinking of coming to Playa del Carmen to live? 

ES: 
"Do it! I’ve never heard of anyone who regrets the decision."


PR: Do you have any other feedback or anything to add about your experience having relocated to both the UK and Mexico thus far? Anything you want readers to know? 

ES: 
The UK, and Londonin particular, offers a thriving live poker scene and everything you could want in terms of big-city culture, but it is not the ideal place for an American to relocate to play online. 

Comparing the two locations, Mexico is a far better prospect in terms of weather, cost of living, visa issues, and convenience of travel to and from the states. But there’s no reason one couldn’t try both places for a few months – or anyplace, for that matter! 

"One of my favorite things about playing online poker is that the whole world is your office, and I’m looking forward to discovering even more new and exotic destinations in 2015!"

Life is definitely good for Elena in México!


Thank you, Elena, for sharing your Poker Refugees relocation experience moving to 
Playa del Carmen, Mexico!

Poker Refugees Review - Jason Thompson, Costa Rica

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Jason moved to the sunny beaches of Costa Rica in 2014. He was initially quite wary (to say the least) of relocating through the help of Poker Refugees versus on his own and did a significant amount of research into the process over the course of many months before deciding to make the move with us. 

Months after his relocation was complete, we are happy to have his feedback, review and testimonial of the Poker Refugees relocation process for the benefit of other players who may be in the same place of making this important life decision. 

We are proud to have a virtually 100% successful track record and overwhelmingly positive player feedback for our relocations, which is quickly approaching 500 since Black Friday.  


Player Interview: 


Poker Refugees Question: What games do you play?  
Jason Thompson: No Limit Hold’Em (Heads Up and 6 Max)


PR: You recently graduated from college and had many options for your next steps in life. What was the primary motivation in moving for online poker versus getting a “normal job”?  

JT: Simple, more freedom. Poker offers an opportunity to be compensated financially based on the skill level that one has with respect to the game that one plays.

FREEDOM!

Also, the professional poker player is not confined to a regional location. The professional poker player is limited to areas with a (preferably stable) Internet connection or “live” play.

P.S. – That’s a lot of places now.

A fellow "digital nomad" works from the beach in Thailand

PR: That's true; poker players have inadvertently become a part of the "digital nomad" revolution. It's a very exciting time to be able to be free and live and work abroad. How did you make the decision to move to Costa Rica versus other destinations for online poker? What were you looking for in a destination? 

JT: Costa Rica is relatively close to the United States, the weather is often sunny and 80 degrees, the country has a friendly culture, and Costa Rica is politically stable.

Costa Rica: No army + freedom + nice people + sunshine + close to 'Merica = good place to post up

PR: At what point during the relocation did you choose to hire Poker Refugees and why? 

JT: I hired Poker Refugees as I did not know what to expect when traveling to another country. This ranges from going through customs, setting up foreign bank accounts, regaining access to non U.S. Poker Sites, and finding a reliable Internet connection. 

True Story ^


PR: What were your concerns before the relocation and how did things change now that you’ve gone through the process? What would you tell yourself now, in hindsight? 

JT: Before the relocation I had all the concerns stated in the above question. Having gone through the process, I’m very glad that I hired Poker Refugees. I would not have been able to set up a foreign bank account without them.


PR: How did you find the experience with Poker Refugees overall regarding: getting set up in your new home of Tamarindo, with a bank account, e-wallets, shopping and concierge with Anke and of course - back on Pokerstars, Full Tilt, etc versus how it would have been trying to figure things out on your own for the first time?

JT: Kristin was able to walk me through all these procedures efficiently. She knew exactly what I needed to accomplish, and she took the burden off my shoulders.


Kristin advises a poker player and qualms his fears on arrival day in Costa Rica. Photo: Bloomberg


PR: What are your accommodations like in CR and do you like your temporary home? Does it exceed your expectations compared to other properties you saw before arrival and in person?   

JT: My accommodations were great, I have no complaints with the lodging.

We wouldn't have any problems living here, either! Jason's digs in Costa Rica


PR: What are your favorite activities in Tamarindo during your free time outside of online poker? What is your favorite thing about living in Costa Rica? 

JT: Surfing, reading on the beach, not being cold, and eating much healthier. The best part about Costa Rica is simply its easy-going, friendly culture.

Surfing out front in Tamarindo

PR: Do you regret your decision to come abroad for any reason or has it been a positive life experience? 

JT: Definitively a positive experience. I have no regrets.


PR: Has living abroad changed your perspective on “home” and if so, how?

JT: Living abroad has motivated me to live in many more locations all over the world. It’s such a cool experience to be apart of diverse cultures.

In a 2014 study, 79% of online Digital Nomads say they expect to continue this lifestyle for the rest of their lives


PR: What advice would you give to a poker player who’s thinking of moving out of the US? 

JT: If you can afford the trip while maintaining a bankroll, I’d highly recommend it. Make friends with the locals. Learn their culture, language. Partake in local activities. Don’t be afraid to ask questions.


To sum up Jason's tips for poker players relocating: 
  • If you have the bank roll for it, go for it (you won't regret it)
  • Hire Poker Refugees to take the burden off your shoulders
  • Living abroad to play online poker is a positive experience that all poker players should try if they have the chance
  • Don't be afraid to ask questions and get involved in the local culture

Reach Out: 
info@pokerrefugees.com

Playing Poker Abroad - PokerRefugees.com Interview by Rakeback.com

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Kristin Wilson,  CEO of PokerRefugees.com - a consultancy service for grinders relocating to play poker abroad - was kind enough to sit down with Rakeback.com for this exclusive interview.



Rakeback.com: Thanks for joining us today, I know you've been incredibly busy lately!   
PokerRefugees: Of course - and yes, it's been crazy. I've been on a whirlwind tour of Asia - take it easy on me!

RB: Don't worry, it's all easy-going here.  So tell usa bit more about your Asia plans.  Do you have an estimate on when you’ll be able to offer your services there?
PR: The plan is to launch 3 new country destinations this summer for players who want to move after WSOP. These countries are: Philippines, Thailand and Hong Kong. We are also considering adding Australia. There will be 1-3 cities in each country that we can offer.

RB: Sounds great.  Expansion is always good.  And speaking of that, it’s been nearly four years since Black Friday, how can you explain your ongoing success?  
PR: I think it’s because the business was designed to genuinely help poker players. Everyone thought that the Poker Refugees concept would be a trend that fizzled out after a couple months, but we’ve shown that there was really a lot more to the situation.

What started with helping American poker players move because of Black Friday has turned into another branch of the “digital nomad” global movement we are seeing in all the virtual industries.

People who are self-employed or entrepreneurs want to do what they want and live where they want. Poker players included. We now work for players from any country, regardless of the reason why they are moving. 




Kristin has helped hundreds of people relocate, retire, purchase real estate and start businesses abroad 

RB: So tell us some of those reasons.  Besides the obvious legislation problems, why are people willing to just pack up and leave?

You name it. We get a wide variety of motivations - everything from boredom, to wanting warmer weather, to cost of living to taxes to finding exotic girlfriends, or even just for a fun change of pace. 

So whatever they want to do, we can help with at any level or actually carry out all the logistics and planning for them. At this point, we are basically evolving in real time with the needs of the players.

This translates to being able to offer more á la carte services, more locations and more individual consulting compared to the one-size-fits-all relocations packages we started out with back in 2011. 

RB: Very interesting.  So what is the most popular refugee location among your poker-playing clients?

PR: It has varied through the years.  When I started Poker Refugees, Costa Rica and Canada were #1 and #2 for Americans, but Mexico (Playa del Carmen specifically) took the top spot in 2013-2014.

This year, the verdict is still out.  Things are pretty balanced.  

For European players, the most popular countries are the United Kingdom and Malta, primarily for tax reasons. Malta is the favorite because of the mild weather, party scene and lower cost of living. 


"We now work for players from any country."

RB: Besides the super popular locations, can you tell us a “hidden gem” refugee location?

PR: I'll cheat and pick 2 locations if I'm allowed...

RB: Of course.  

PR: All things equal, I really like the Central Valley of Costa Rica for the Americas and Budapest in Europe.

The San Jose province of Costa Rica has amazing weather, good infrastructure, a huge range of Internet options, all the amenities, banking in USD plus a big international airport in the middle. It’s a good hub for sure.

Budapest has a low cost of living, and there's a tight knit poker community which makes it a fun city to live in. 

RB: Moving on to the logistical side - do clients tend to play on one site, for example, do you get a lot of Americans going abroad only to be able to play on PokerStars?  or is it more of a variety? 

PR: The dream is to play on PokerStars, of course, but once players go abroad, they have access to pretty much any international online poker sites that might be blocked in the US, so there’s a lot of opportunity to diversify and game select on a macro level.

Most players want to concentrate their VPPs on Stars or set a goal to achieve SNE for example, but it depends on which games people play and what makes the most sense for each person (to play only on Stars or spread out).
Today with Skrill and Neteller it’s easy to move money around if you have the banking foundation, so the poker world is your oyster so to speak.


Multitable from a South American beach locale

RB: So let's shift gears a little:   do you play poker yourself?  

PR: Ha – no, not seriously.  I know the games and have a play money account on Stars but I never actually have time to play since I’m always working, eating, sleeping, traveling or planning.
I wanted to learn when I first launched PR, but I know where my strengths lie, and finally decided to leave poker to the pros and stick with my day job.  I’m surrounded by poker players all day, every day, including my boyfriend, so I probably know more about poker than any other non-poker player in the world.
If I ever do get more involved, it would probably be on the charity side.  

RB: If you could pick one location you’ve visited in your life and travels with PR to be trapped (i.e. can’t leave even for visits) in for 10 years, what location would you choose?
PR: Wow, that is a good question! This is a tough one.  Let me think for a minute...

RB: Sure, take your time.  

PR: Well, I’m very fortunate that I can travel a lot, but this is actually something I struggle with all the time: Where to live???  First world problems, right?
Ideally I would spend the summer in Vancouver or Amsterdam, and the winter somewhere tropical like Bali or Thailand. That would be the perfect balance! Can I pick two?

RB: No cheating this time!  You're on the hot seat here.  

PR: Ok, ok fair enough.   I wouldn’t want to be stuck in Canada or Europe all winter for 10 years. I’m from Florida after all.  So if I had to pick just one place it would need to have a mild climate and lots of things to do.

Since I've already lived in Costa Rica, I would choose Mexico because there's so much variety: cities, Pacific beaches, Caribbean beaches, history, mountains, surfing, and all the climates – even winter!


Tapas and 4-tabling Zoom at sunset in Rosarito, Mexico

RB: Shifting back to the business side - do you feel the possibility of regulated online poker in the U.S. is a threat to your business?

PR: Yes and no… honestly I wish I made a huge prop bet in 2011 on what would happen with US regulation because I’ve been right so far. I knew it would take so many years to get sorted and in the end, it might not even consist of the actual conditions needed for pros to live and work there.
We see things moving super slow and on a state-by-state level; it’s just not ever going to be the same as pre-Black Friday. People need to give up that pipe dream in my opinion.

State taxes and rake could also be an issue. If we take a look Europe, we see a clear pattern. Pros can’t afford to live in most of their own countries because of the way online poker is regulated.

It started in Spain and France and keeps spreading because it’s easier for countries to adopt a system that’s already been put in place. What is happening makes total sense because governments are regulating it for the masses and to earn more taxes, not for a handful of pros to make a living.

So even with lobbying in the pros’ interests, it’s going to be difficult to make compelling arguments that only affect a minute portion of players.

But I digress… long story short, US regulation can definitely adversely affect my business, but so far regulation has only helped it.

Either way, I’m prepared to retire from this and move onto new things at any time and have been since day 1.

I’m a millennial serial entrepreneur and that’s what we do. Refugees is the inverse of a normal business when it comes to long term planning, and I expect the life cycle can be cut short because we are dealing with an extremely dynamic regulatory environment (among other things) but so far we’ve outlasted everyone’s longest estimates by years so I’m happy no matter what happens.

It’s been a life changing and ultimately very fulfilling experience to help 500 fellow humans change their own lives. I would do it again in a heartbeat. 

RB: Very interesting perspective.  

"If you think of how difficult it is to plan a vacation to a country you’ve never been, multiply that by 100 and that’s relocating for online poker."

RB: One of your on-site ads says that it took a player over a month to set himself up, and he wishes he had used your service. From the time a client first contacts you, approximately how long does it take to get set up in another country? 

PR: Our secret is we do all the planning in advance and we know what we’re doing. So once the player arrives to the destination, he’ll usually be set up within just a few hours. But on average, 1-3 months of planning goes into each relocation while the client is living his daily life in his home country.

We do have a lot of players contact us after they move and have been unsuccessful on their own. It can take us a few days to a week or so to get them up and running when we are working backwards. It’s really a shame because they could have avoided the pain if they just went with us in the first place. Live and learn I suppose!

RB: If I came to you and said, “Kristin, I want to go, and I want to go now.” What’s the quickest you could get me going (including any extra charges for rush fees)?

PR: We literally did a relocation for 1 player in maybe 48 hours.
He hired us while he was boarding the plane to Toronto and we worked non-stop to get him set up. This was a former WSOP Main Event Champ, so he realized the value we provide and was happy to pay the fee to expedite so we could get things done for him ASAP.


A luxury apartment with garden and hilltop view in Bali 

RB: So, continuing that thread - what are some of the most difficult issues with relocating poker players and how does using your service make it easier?

PR: If you think of how difficult it is to plan a vacation to a country you’ve never been, multiply that by 100 and that’s relocating for online poker.
There are virtually infinite websites and services to help people with travel or planning, but there are very few, if any, cohesive, organized resources to help individuals move abroad – especially poker players.

Poker players have 2 choices: read the internet and Twoplustwo (2+2) for months (which is great but there are thousands of pages of travel threads), buy a plane ticket and hope for the best, or hire Poker Refugees and have everything done correctly the first time. You save an almost incalculable amount of time and money by using a service like ours.

The learning curve of doing this on your own is incredibly steep and incredibly minus EV; if you kill yourself trying to do this one time, where does that get you in the future?  And that's not to mention scams and other things you might run into on your own.

I’ve been moving to foreign countries and helping others do so for 10 years now. At the beginning, I made a ton of mistakes and wasted a ton of money. Now I help people avoid all the mistakes that everyone inevitably makes, plus I set up a comprehensive foundation for online poker that will last them forever in theory.

It seems crazy not to get help with something like this, especially when you are moving for your career and not just for fun. I wish my present self were around to help my past self with all those moves years ago.

RB: You make a great pitch.  We're sold! But surely it's still difficult emotionally, even with your help. Has anyone ever come to you crying begging to help get them back home?

PR: There is one guy who comes to mind.
I won’t name names, but he moved to Costa Rica and left within 1 week.
Turns out he borrowed money from his parents to move and only had enough to last him 2 weeks. When he didn’t bink a tournament in the 1st week, he got spooked and called me to ask for a ride to the airport. It was pretty unexpected!
Other than that, most players really enjoy the experience and a few have never left their adopted countries. I know a lot of guys who have been abroad since May 2011 and just visit the US a couple times per year.

Daleroxxu (ex PS Team Online) blogs and grinds from Bangkok, Thailand

RB: Poker is a game of mental preparation. What sort of mental preparation would you recommend to someone thinking of relocating to play poker?

PR: Mentally, just keep an open mind and start with a clean slate. Nothing will be like what you expect and nothing will be like home.  
Possibly more important than the mental preparation is the bank roll preparation. If you move without money, you’ll be stressed and putting a lot of pressure on yourself. 

RB: What would you say to people who want to relocate to play poker but are afraid of living in another country?

PR: I would say give it a go; you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Home will always be there. No one has ever told me they regret moving abroad. Ever. Even the guy who left after 1 week, he still had a blast and told me it was the best thing he ever did.

I’ve been traveling internationally since I was 16, and I still get a bit intimidated when I go to a new country I’ve never been to, especially if I don’t speak the language. But you will be surprised how fast you get into your comfort zone. It’s pretty cool. Then you won’t want to leave.

If a few thousand other poker players are living abroad already, you can do it too. Most of these guys never had passports before.


A poker player grinding from Malta

RB: So let us play devil's advocate here:  What would you say to critics who say what you’re doing is “Anti-American?” 

PR: If what I’m doing is anti-American, then how would they classify how their state representatives and national government are handling the regulation of online poker – an American national past time?  

Doesn’t seem like they are doing the game justice to me.

The online poker exodus is just a side effect of a bigger problem.

I believe that what I’m doing is 100% good for America. I’m helping Americans enhance their quality of life, realize their goals and live life to the fullest, so that when they eventually move back home they come back with a sense of independence and responsibility, a more worldly attitude and cross cultural compassion and understanding. Maybe even a second language or a spouse or a family when they come back. This can only be a good thing.

RB: You've been so forthcoming - so we need to ask: Have there ever been any totally crazy stories?

PR: Haha, yes.  I will never forget this client who I relocated with his girlfriend.  
Long story short - I found out via a phone call in the middle of the night that they were actually in an abusive relationship and the girl was beating up my client! They were both hysterical.

RB: Wow!  That's heavy...

PR: Yeah, and I had to call the Costa Rican police and stay on the phone with them mediating and translating.  I was half asleep, but I recall she was also trying to steal money and their dog.  What a mess.  

Eventually I drove over to their house and put the girlfriend up in a hotel to separate them. It was by far the craziest relocation experience I’ve been through.

I was not happy, but I just wanted them both to be safe. I don’t remember what happened after that but I think they eventually broke up for good and moved home.  


 Poker Refugee grinding from a 14th floor luxury condo in Jaco, Costa Rica

RB: That's dedication!  And on that note, we're out of time for now, but Thanks again to PokerRefugees.com and Kristin in particular for meeting with us. We hope to see you again soon!  You're welcome at the Rakeback.com studio anytime.


For more information on relocating for Poker, or Poker Refugees specifically, you can find them on Facebook and Twitter

"Hire Poker Refugees and have everything done correctly the first time. You save an almost incalculable amount of time and money by using a service like ours."


Original Post: http://www.rakeback.com/poker/interview-poker-refugees/ 

Player Interview: Mazin Khoury msauce

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Poker Refugees Blog 
Player Interview: Mazin Khoury, Canada


Mazin Khoury, also known as @msauce_ on Twitter and msauce on 2+2 is now a veteran of the poker expatriate community. Mazin first moved offshore in July 2011 and currently calls downtown Vancouver home. He's known by his friends for bubbling a lot of final tables.




Hometown: Durham, North Carolina


Current location: Vancouver, Canada


Years playing online poker & how you started: About 4. I started with play chips on FTP in 2007


Types of games/stakes played: Mid-high stakes NL 6max + some tournaments


What are all the places have you lived since Black Friday? Toronto, CA; Escazu, Costa Rica; Vancouver, CA


What is your favorite destination so far and why? Vancouver; it's great


How many months after Black Friday did you decide to move? 1 month; I went to Vegas for WSOP then up to Toronto where I lived with a roommate [also a poker player]




What was the hardest part about your decision to move? Was an easy decision for me but everyone has a different situation


How many times has Poker Refugees helped you change locations? Twice


How long did it take you to get set up the first time and how has your experience been in subsequent moves – easier, do you feel more comfortable now? It took me about a week to get setup in Toronto, would've been a lot longer but my friend had already gone through the process with Stars and helped me with everything. Costa Rica and Vancouver were about the same; Poker Refugees helped with the rental property, bank accounts and getting my security deposits back from shady landlords. 


Do you play exclusively on Stars or which other sites do you like? Mostly Stars. Rarely FTP, 888, Party.


You’ve won a few seats and packages in satellites on Pokerstars; what was your favorite Pokerstars tournament event experience in the past few years? I’ve only been to EPT Barcelona and the PCA. Both were fun. I cashed the PCA so I guess that one.



On the way to Day 4 or 5 of PCA 2013




Snacking on fruit at WSOP 2013

Who has better food - Barcelona or Atlantis? 
Easily Barcelona 

What do you do when you're not playing poker? 
Web development


Any advice to players looking to move abroad? 
It's hard to say because everyone has a different situation and should make their own decision. 


Thanks Mazin and gl out there!






Best Countries to Play Online Poker: Part 1, Developed Countries Edition

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Really, what are the best places to play online poker from? 

Mobile Office - Photo: Kristin Wilson

So you want to play online poker - good call (no pun intended). Now what? 

Well, first, you need some money saved up. 

Then, you have to decide where to move. 

Online poker players, sports bettors and all sorts of “digital nomads” have been traipsing the globe since laptops became a thing. But - we all know that this question of where to live became much more important (for ‘Mericans at least) after a day we like to refer to as “Black Friday”. And we all know why.  

Moving on: But what if you aren’t American? Maybe you are from Europe or Bangladesh or South Africa. Maybe gaming legislation doesn’t affect you. Maybe you don’t have to move, maybe you just want to. And that’s okay. You're welcome here too. 

Here at Poker Refugees, we happen to help online poker players move around the world for a living, so we are pretty good at it. We know a thing or two about the pros and cons of where to live and why (especially from the perspective of an online gambler). Our founder, Kristin, has been living abroad for half of her life and has been to more than 35 different countries. We spend day in and day out helping hundreds of poker players migrate around the globe. We spend our free time researching countries or living in them. We are veritable experts on this topic. 

Now - "where to live" is a loaded question to answer because everyone is different and there is no one-size-fits all answer. But there are a few favorites that tend to work for most players at least once. 

We are going to split this list into 2 parts because you can’t really compare apples to oranges, right? Someone who fantasizes about living in the heart of London in a Kensington loft might not feel as strongly about, say, living in a Mexican fishing village on less than <$1k per month. So, we have: 

-Best developed countries for online poker (part I)
-Best developing countries for online poker (part II) - coming soon
-Bonus: Worst countries for online poker (part III) - coming soon 

(Note on methodology: These countries were chosen based on a super secret, non-scientific algorithm involving location, infrastructure, safety, cost of living, convenience, and most of all, our opinion.)

Best developed countries to play online poker from: 

Sydney Harbour Bridge - Photo: Kristin Wilson

5) Australia: If time zones aren’t an issue for you, come on down unda, mate! Australia is pretty rad and has many of the things an online poker player could be looking for: 
  • 6 month+ travel visas
  • Amazing weather
  • Diverse selection of cities/climates to choose from
  • Casinos and live poker events
  • Close proximity to other APPT events in Asia
  • Open banking infrastrucure
  • Pretty good internet (not the best but certainly manageable)
  • Amenities galore
  • World class restaurants
  • International flight hub
  • Surfing and water sports
  • Lovely Aussie people
  • English-speaking country
  • Cons: It's pretty expensive to live here, but that's because everyone wants to live here. Another bummer, it's kind of far from everywhere except New Zealand and a few South Pacific islands. The shortest direct flight to LAX is 15 hours or so.
Just another sunset in Australia - Photo: Kristin Wilson
Next up: 


Hello, Vancouver
4) Vancouver, Canada: Overall, Canada is marked with somewhat of a scarlet letter these days, which is: no Neteller or Skrill access (wah! ^insert crying emoticon face). Bummer, we know. There is also the issue of online gambling being a grey area and rumors of Amaya pulling Stars/FTP out of dear 'oh Canada land. So far, that hasn’t happened, but it would surely be devastating if it did. In the meantime, we can’t deny the wonders of living in Vancouver overall as a global destination: 
  • Extremely high standard of living
  • High internet speeds/reliable infrastructure
  • Amazing food options
  • Easy public transportation
  • Good international flight schedules
  • Casinos
  • Stanley Park, nature, hiking, boating
  • Whistler (enough said) 
  • Close proximity to the US 
  • Stay up to 180 days per year (most Western passport holders)
  • English speaking
  • Diverse population - you won't be the only expat around
  • It’s just awesome
  • Cons: High cost of living, limited deposit/withdrawal methods for non Canadians, forex fees and gloomy weather (most of the time)
Vancouver is ridiculously picturesque


3) Budapest, Hungary: Random, right? We bet you didn’t see this coming. Hungary is located in eastern Europe and it’s a delightful place to live because: 
  • Low cost of living compared to most of Western Europe
  • Wide selection of affordable rental properties
  • Decent infrastructure and internet speeds
  • Small city with a town-like feel
  • Great food
  • Beautiful women
  • Small but strong poker community
  • Part of the EU Schengen area
  • Central location to the rest of Europe (for when you win those EPT packages)
  • Relatively foreigner-friendly banking options
  • Cons: Regulation has been on the table in recent years and there have been some changes and questions on legality. So far, nothing much has changed from the players’ perspective but that can change at any time. Get it while it lasts. PS: Hungarian is a super difficult language to learn. 
Interview with a real player who moved to Budapest for online poker: 
  • Tyler Phillips: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2013/10/player-interview-tyler-phillips.html 



2) UK: Everyone knows this is a given since it’s actually one of the only countries (if not the only?) that explicitly doesn’t tax online or live gambling winnings. Players from near and far relocate to UK for this very reason. If you can afford the cost of living, it’s a great place to be. Some of the reasons for this are…
  • Gambling of all types is expressly legal, yay
  • Airports: London is within striking distance of quite a few international airports which means cheap flights and plenty of options to fit your schedule. Heathrow is one of the busiest hubs in the world. Get in or out whenever you want. 
  • 1st world living: Great Britain has long been one of the world’s superpowers. Whatever you want, you can find it here.
  • Internet: Not the best in the world but certainly good enough for online poker. Reasonably priced. 
  • Tourist Visas are available for up to 6 months for most western nations’ citizens, and it’s not part of the Schengen area (90-day limits).
  • Restaurants that give NYC a run for their money
  • Culture: Never get bored
  • It's relatively safe around these parts
  • EPT London, casinos
  • Multi-currency bank accounts
  • You can get a PokerStars debit card! <3
    Love at first sight
  • Isle of Man/PokerStars HQ are just up the road (hang a left at the Irish Sea) 
  • EU Citizens can stay as long as they want (aka permanently)
  • Cons: (1) It’s so expensive to live here that it could actually cancel out a significant amount of those tax savings (2) The weather is not known to be the best



Next up, our winner! 




1) Malta: Yes, Malta, the island nation that very few people (besides poker players) could probably find on a map. This Mediterranean gem is also a gambler’s paradise. Poker is not tax-free but the good news is that taxes can be low and online gaming is explicitly regulated and legal (halle-freakin-lujah). 


Where is Malta again?

So why is Malta the winner on our list? 
  • Online poker is legal
  • Internet is fast and cheap
  • Access to all forms of payment processing, e-wallets, depositing and withdrawing
  • Generally low cost of living compared to the rest of Europe 
  • Mild climate
  • They also speak English here (thank you British Empire?)
  • No car needed if you live in St Julians or Sliema
  • Sea views and beaches
  • Pubs on every corner
  • Good food and restaurant options
  • Portomaso Casino & EPT Malta
  • PokerStars has an office here (as do 200 other gambling companies)
  • Cons: It’s super small, there’s not too much to do outside of poker and partying (compared other EU countries), there are less international flights compared to the bigger airports in Europe, 90-day max Schengen visa for Americans, and despite open regulation, it’s ironically a huge pain to open a bank account
Video Interview with a real player who moved to Malta for online poker: 
  • Alextoon1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJNAO_8o8NM
  • Blog Interview with Dan Smallidge, Malta: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2013/07/poker-refugees-player-interview-dan.html 
St. Julians skyline - Kristin Wilson photo



Runner Up: Hong Kong/Macau - 
City of Lights & Dreams - Photo: Kristin Wilson

HK is not the cheapest place to live, but if you want to be in the Asia-Pacific region, play online, live in the lap of luxury and get a piece of those high stakes live cash games that Macau is known for, Hong Kong could be the place for you.

  
Welcome to the pit. Macau/o - Photo: Kristin Wilson



Did we miss anything? 

Are any of these your favorite/least favorite destinations? 

Do you disagree with us? 

Sound off in the comments below! 

Do you want to move to one of these destinations? Email info@pokerrefugees.com or visit http://www.pokerrefugees.com/contact

Best Places to Play Online Poker from: Part 2, Developing Countries Edition

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Welcome back! In our last installment, you learned about our top picks for the best countries in the developed world to play online poker from. Our top 5 were: Australia, Vancouver, Canada, UK& Malta (with Hong Kong/Macau as a runner up to this list). 

Today, hold onto your hoodies as we delve into the jungles, the tropics and the 3rd world with our list of: 

The Best Developing Countries to Play Online Poker from: 

Medellín: City of Spring - Photo: Kristin Wilson


5) Colombia: We’re going to start off with this trendy online poker destination (Medellín) because Colombia overall is pretty cool. While you could live in the capital of Bogotá or tourism hotspot Cartagena, most poker players are posting up in Medellín. Some of the reasons why are: 
Medellín Metro - Photo: Kristin Wilson
  • It’s really not that dangerous: Medellín especially has shed its former kidnapping/drug war image. It’s quite mellow these days and violence is much more isolated than in the past. 
  • Medellín is known as the city of eternal springtime. Read: the weather is good
  • It’s a pretty small yet urban city with good public transportation, including an underground metro and sky cable cars 
  • Cost of living and rent are both low
  • Arguably some of the most beautiful women in the world are from Medellín
  • Arepas are delicious
  • There's a strong party scene
  • Cons: It’s pretty impossible to open a bank account, it’s a bit isolated compared to other Latin American destinations and you may want (ahem, need) to learn to speak Spanish
Line up of shots in El Poblado District of Medellín - Photo: Kristin Wilson

4) Panama: A good place to go if you already have a bank account in another country. Why play online poker from Panama

Msaucepoker doing his thing - Photo: Kristin Wilson
Miami Living in Panama - Photo: Kristin W.
  • Low cost of living pretty much anywhere in the country 
  • New (and dirt cheap) metro system
  • International and domestic airports throughout the country
  • Caribbean and Pacific coasts: take your pick
  • Decent infrastructure thanks to the Americans and the Canal Zone
  • Low price on electronics thanks to the Americans and the Canal Zone (imports)
  • Diverse climates: live in Panama City (urban living), Coronado (beach), Bocas del Toro (island), or Boquete (coffee plantations, mountains, volcanos and valleys)
  • Fast track to residency program for citizens of Panama-friendly countries (most western nations)
  • Panama City has everything you could ever need/want - it’s a metropolis
  • 6-month renewable travel visa
  • Access to Skrill & Neteller
  • Dollarized economy
  • People speak a fair amount of English
  • Cons: Limited selection of Internet Service Providers (sigh), banking system on lock down, limited back up internet options and it's pretty hot everywhere except Boquete (Can you take the heat?)
Avenida Balboa/Cinta Costera Panama - Photo: Kristin Wilson

Check out this interview with a real players who moved to Panama for online poker: 





  • Adam Ross: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2013/06/player-interview-adam-ross-costa-rica.html 


#3: ¡México!


Mexican border - Photo: Kristin Wilson


3) Mexico: You can really live almost anywhere in Mexico (sans any drug war capitals perhaps), but most poker players tend to congregate in Rosarito or Playa del Carmen, with Cabo a distant 3rd place. Rosarito/Tijuana makes sense because it’s right over the border from California, but there’s not too much more to offer. It’s a great place to go if you want to eat, sleep, play poker and stare at the ocean from behind your monitor. 

Mexico, real life Corona commercial - Photo: Kristin Wilson
On the other hand, everyone loves Playa del Carmen - it’s hard not to. Here are the pros and cons to playing online poker in Mexico in general & Playa specifically: 

Pros: 
  • It’s huge: pick where you want to live
  • Close to the US/short flights from most of the country
  • Access to Skrill & Neteller
  • PLAYA PROS
    • Cancun is the biggest airport in Latin America - many direct flights from Europe
    • Tropical weather and white sand beaches
    • Significant spring break style party scene 
      Beach party - yay! Poker players in Playa
    • It’s convenient; no car needed: You can walk from one end of town to the other in about 30 min or less
    • Everything seems to be open 24/7
    • Plethora of food options
    • At least 100 poker players living here at any given time: instant group of poker friends
    • Casinos in Cancun, live sports betting at local bars
    • The cost of living is low if you have a low standard of living
    • There are delivery services for online poker players (food and pretty much anything else)
    • Many local establishments have employees who speak English
      Rosarito, Baja views - Photo: Kristin Wilson
  • Cons: it gets ridiculously hot and/or rainy at times, the rental rates are completely inflated (especially in high season) and let’s face it: the internet is pretty bad. You will be maxing out at speeds of 5-10MB, back up internet (cell network) gets easily saturated, especially during music festivals, and there is always someone on Skype or 2+2 complaining/asking anyone else is having internet problems (on a daily basis). Did we mention most bank accounts and poker transactions must be done in Pesos? 
  • Possible future 'con': Online gaming legislation is on the table and it doesn’t look pretty. Time will tell if this has an effect on online poker pros. 

Check out these interviews with real players who moved to Mexico for online poker: 

  • Shane Daniels, Playa: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2014/03/moving-to-mexico-for-online-poker-playa.html
  • Elena Stover, Playa: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2015/02/poker-refugees-player-interview.html
  • Gus Voelzel, Playa: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2013/07/player-interview-gus-voelzel-playa-del.html
  • Katie Stone, Rosarito: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2013/09/player-interview-katie-stone-mexico_21.html
  • Shaniac, Rosarito: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_jW1-ecg4g

Getting close to the #1 spot!

#2 on our list is Thailand: 

Feed an elephant in Chiang Mai, Thailand

2) Thailand: This is a major exception to the rule because… Online poker isn’t actually legal in Thailand (and e-wallets are restricted), but while the sites themselves are still accessible, it’s a great place to be for an online poker player, for the time being
Tropical Thailand - Photo: Kristin Wilson
  • It’s cheap
  • It’s really cheap
  • Thai food is from there (need we say more?)
  • Surprisingly fast internet
  • Full moon parties
  • Diversity: City, beaches, mountains, islands - it’s all here (Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Koh Samui and Phuket just to name a few destinations)
  • Huge online poker community: there is always a room in a poker house somewhere
  • Cheap international flights in and out of multiple airports
  • Cons: Online poker is technically illegal, drugs are super illegal (especially weed), it’s hard to get a long term travel visa, there is a dark side to Thailand (you can google that), tsunamis, don’t drink the water
Kristin works from the W Bangkok

Drumroll please....

Our winner is: Costa Rica!

Green Costa Rica - Photo: Kristin Wilson

1) Costa Rica: Oh the irony… While AP/UB and others were being ejected from Costa Rica in the Black Friday fallout (with the help of the OIJ and DOJ), poker players themselves were setting their sights on the land of pura vida. And for good reasons. So good in fact, that we can’t think of many reasons why NOT to move here. Here are some of the best things about Costa Rica as an online poker destination
Surf's up! Poker Refugees founder, Kristin, catches a wave at Pavones

  • Direct 2-3 hour flights from the US 
    Typical afternoon in CR - Photo: Kristin Wilson
  • Low cost of living compared to the developed world
  • Internet - The internet all of a sudden got pretty good! Speeds up to 100MB are now available compared to 5-10MB in Playa del Carmen. That’s huge. 
  • Extensive rental market for short-term furnished rentals and vacation rentals
  • Westernized culture and amenities: every chain restaurant and brand recognizeable
  • Diversity: it’s hard to get bored since there are so many places to live and all of them with their unique flair 
  • One of the top ecotourism destinations in the world - enough said
  • Sun, sand, surf, beaches, mountains, valleys
  • No taxes on gambling winnings
  • Ranked as one of the “happiest countries in the world” many years in a row
  • The Central Valley boasts the “best climate in the world” - literally. No, we are serious. Best in the world. That’s a big claim, but it’s true. 
  • Beautiful women who love foreigners
  • Multiple international and domestic airports
  • Relatively straight forward and cheap path to permanent residency
  • Perpetual tourism is possible
  • Bank accounts in USD with online wire transfers
  • Access to Skrill & Neteller
  • Safety: Sure, Costa Rica is not perfect, but it’s generally considered one of the safer countries in Latin America and there is no national military
  • Locals are pushing for the legalization of Medical Marijuana (hey, it can’t hurt)
  • Cons: More expensive than other Central American nations and things move pretty slow around here (but that goes for all developing countries). Internet and infrastructure can be spotty in the remote beaches and mountains, so you can’t play poker from everywhere
Check out these interviews with real players who moved to Costa Rica for online poker: 
  • Wesley Clark, Jaco: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2014/04/wesley-clark-moves-to-costa-rica-for.html
  • Anton Smolyanskiy, Tamarindo: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2014/12/poker-refugees-testimonial-player.html
  • Mathieu Kuhne, Jaco: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2015/01/poker-player-interview-poker-refugees.html
  • Jason Thompson, Tamarindo: http://blog.pokerrefugees.com/2015/03/poker-refugees-review-jason-thompson.html
  • Adam Geyer & Shannon Shorr, Escazu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcaOl6bj3fM 
  • Poker House, Tamarindo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypJDeNgPRFo

Costa Rica Luxury Home - Photo: Kristin Wilson

What do you think of our list? Did we miss anything? 

Are any of these your favorite/least favorite destinations? 

Do you disagree with us? 

Sound off in the comments below! 

Do you want to move to one of these destinations? Email info@pokerrefugees.com or visit http://www.pokerrefugees.com/contact

Worst Countries to Play Online Poker From, Part 3 of a series

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We've told you the best places to play online poker in both developed and developing countries. Well, what about the worst places or countries to maybe avoid? No one has made that list yet!

So where should you not go to play online poker? We've come up with the following list - part subjective, part objective, and probably all controversial for your reading pleasure.

Some things are just too good to be true - Photo: Kristin Wilson

1) Most of Central America: Besides Costa Rica, Panama and Mexico, most of the other countries in Central America would be (how do we say this) less-than-ideal. The electricity in Nicaragua goes out multiple times per day, every day. Honduras has the highest crime rate in the hemisphere (El Salvador and Guatemala aren’t far behind). Belize is known for having the most expensive and slowest internet in the region, although it's certainly improving a bit each year. It’s not that playing online poker from these places is impossible, but it’s probably not optimal. We know that poker players are always looking to make the optimal decision in every spot with all the information available.


Caribbean Blues

2) The Caribbean: Sadly, the Caribbean is a better place to take a cruise or a honeymoon than to play online poker from. Then Caribbean is a haven for hosting offshore online gaming companies, but is still not the most practical choice for online gambling itself. Why, you may ask? 1) It’s expensive. If the cost of living is super high, your ROI will be lower, end of story. 2) The internet isn’t that good. Not only is it slow and expensive, but many times Caribbean islands may route through nearby countries with a different ip. Sometimes even a US ip! PokerStars doesn’t like that. 3) The visa regulations aren’t known for being particularly generous. The average passport stamp is for 1 month around here. It’s kind of annoying to move around that often, unless you live on a yacht, in which case, carry on. 



Beautiful and cold Russia

3) Russia: Russia is the only place on any of these lists that we actually haven't been to, but Russian poker players are constantly contacting us for help moving out of Russia. So, it doesn’t seem like the best place to be. We are under the impression that online gambling has been banned multiple times over the years and ip’s have been blocked out of nowhere on more than one occasion. Yet another sinister-sounding bill with possible threats to the future of online poker was proposed in late 2014 (#478806-6). Bottom line - regulation is sketchy. It’s really cold there. Sochi wasn't exactly a hit with foreign visitors. It's not a country known for great achievements in human rights and freedom, either. There are probably better places out there for the most part. 


Night market time - Photo: Kristin Wilson
4) China: The Chinese love gambling - poker included. We know this. But outside of Macau, gambling is illegal in China. The extent of enforcement varies and at the moment, PokerStars is accessible, but it still seems like an unnecessary risk to play from there unless you have a specific reason for doing so. Depositing and withdrawing from sites can be difficult or expensive at best. “In a sweep from June to December last year, Chinese police arrested over 1,000 people involved in an online gambling network that operated over 200 illegal websites using Thai servers (Blouin News).” That’s no fun. Everyone also heard about the shenanigans in April 2015 with the APPT Nanjing Millions event shut down as local authorities declared that the event “criminal and illegal”. Yikes. We've heard enough.


Europe's best airline - Photo: Kristin Wilson


5) Most of Europe: No! Say it ain't so! We love Europe. To visit, that is. Word on the street however, is that it's not the best place to live and play poker SOMETIMES, in some countries or depending on which country you're from. We'll break it down a bit below.  

Wish you were here - French Riviera - Photo: Kristin Wilson
  • France: Darnit, we love a good baguette with cheese and a glass of wine, but France is known for having a segregated player pool. Pokerstars.fr and other local French sites are limited to this player pool. The good news is, you don't necessarily have to be based in France in order to play on said sites if you have an EU bank account to deposit and withdraw from, and to verify yourself with. Word on the street is that the games are a bit softer as well. The bad news is, rake and taxes are high, so many French players move out of France. The cost of living is also high, which adds to the rake, tax and other expenses for locals. 
Wishing we could grind from gorgeous Cannes - Photo: Kristin Wilson 

  • Other countries with barriers to entry so-to-speak: 
    • Spain: Another segregated player pool closed to the Spanish market
We love Barcelona - Photo: Kristin Wilson
    Come for the football, not the online poker - Photo: Kristin
    • Italy: Segregated Italian player pool; proof of residency is needed
Save the grana padano for vacation - Photo: Kristin Wilson
    • Greece: Recent changes in legislation, rake and taxes caused many Greek player to migrate over to Malta in 2014-2015
Good-bye Greece, Hello Malta (Photo: Kristin)
    • Netherlands: Taxes are high for those banking and playing poker in Holland. Many Dutch players are known to have moved to the Dominican Republic, Curacao, Mexico and other countries in order to change their tax domicile. That being said, we can't deny that Amsterdam is a great place to live while passing through, however. 
Eh, we can still visit - Photo: Kristin Wilson


    • Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Hungary, others: While these countries are open to international sites (and are really nice places to live - ranking high up on the global standard of living indices), high taxes have, er, inspired many local players to move to neighboring EU countries in order to legally change their tax domicile. 

Take a break from poker for Oktoberfest - Photo: Kristin 


    6) Anywhere that online poker is blatantly illegal: China aside, Singapore, most of the Middle East & Africa and a few other countries in between come to mind. We’re out for that. PokerStars & FTP withdrew from an extra 30 markets in 2014. Most of the places on this list, you probably don't want to go to anyway (let alone live there). Syria was one of them. Neteller and Skrill have a list of non-serviced countries that are also hints to some of the lesser desirable places to play: https://member.neteller.com/document/show?selectedDocument=11


    aw, shucks

    So that is that. Are you saying to yourself, "why so negative, Poker Refugees?" Do you want to know what are the BEST places to play online poker from? Check our out lists here and here

    To speak with the experts at Poker Refugees about your next move, visit:



    Poker Refugees Reviews

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    "I saved a ton of time and money by using Poker Refugees. I would absolutely recommend them to a friend or use them again should the need ever arise. Kristin and her staff were great and answered all of my questions promptly. Using Poker Refugees definitely eases the stress that comes with moving to an unfamiliar country."
    -Anonymous poker player & Poker Refugees client, Costa Rica

    With no idea where to begin, Poker Refugees made moving to a foreign country seem like something I have done several times before. Poker Refugees ensured a seamless transition so I could focus solely on studying and grinding, saving me an extreme amount of time. Simply put, they are awesome. 
    -Anonymous poker player & Poker Refugees client, Canada

    Real reviews from real players who are probably doing this right now...

    We know that customers like to shop around and research before they buy - whether that purchase is a nice dinner out, a new laptop or simply a cup of coffee. Heck, that's why Yelp, FourSquare, UrbanSpoon, TripAdvisor etc are all so popular. Everyone depends on reading reviews and leaving them to make the world a better place these days, to help make informed decisions on what you buy and help others do the same.

    As one player says:


    "Getting second opinions and talking to other poker players is always a good idea but for a solid foundation and hassle free time Poker Refugees is the way to go. anything you want or need will be taken care of for you in the fastest way possible."
    -Animalettiere, TwoPlusTwo

    We know our players are busy playing poker for a million hours a day, but we do ask them to leave reviews to share with other poker players. We really appreciate their time writing a review because it helps others who may be in the same boat. 

    Many of our reviews are left in anonymous customer feedback surveys. We make our surveys anonymous because we truly want to know what players think and keep improving our services every day. We don't want to pressure players to leave reviews or put them on the spot, so we give them the option to leave one or not in the surveys. 

    Below are a few testimonials collected over the past year that we hope can help other players out there understand what the Poker Refugees relocation service is like and the many ways we try to help players! 

    We know that all poker players have a choice of whether they relocate on their own or with our help, and we want to make that decision an easy one. 



    We have all the reviews listed by city and country when the information was available. There are also more public Poker Refugees reviews on TwoPlusTwo, here and throughout the forums. 


    POKER REFUGEES PLAYER TESTIMONIALS 
    & REVIEWS: 

    Alex Johanek, Central Valley, Costa Rica: 
    ”Kristin was very helpful when it came to relocating to Costa Rica.  I did part of the process on my own and it wasn't easy.  I really appreciated how much of the typical "Costa Rican run-around" I was able to avoid by using her services.  She also saved me a lot of money on my cashouts by setting me up with Skrill and Neteller accounts."

    Todd Piotrowski, Tamarindo, Costa Rica: 
    Woohoo! Thank you so much kristen for your endless hard work! We are so impressed with your team in Costa Rica, you made this move so easy, I could not imagine trying to do all that work myself. Thanks to you and your team, I had my bank account opened and all the proper documents to stars and tilt as well as playing online within 48 hours of my arrival! Your services are priceless, you have an amazing work ethic, well worth every cent that you charge for the complete relocation service! The rental property could not be better! I did not have a single hassle during the entire process nor do I have a single complaint! you have a great team, you have a very impressive honest hustle going on!...I am impressed. I can only imagine the work going on behind the scenes!...I would never have wanted to do this without your help. TIME FOR SCOOP! 

    Face Stealer (PokerStars), Escazu, Costa Rica: 
    Poker Refugees is a great service that I would recommend to any Poker playerlooking to relocate to an unfamiliar country.  They cater to saving their clients the headache, and (most importantly) the time it takes to get set up and back on the grind.   Super easy to work with and extremely convenient.

    Matthew Haugen, Windosr, Canada: 
    I was on a time crunch and Poker Refugees came through for me. They made the process easy and answered all of my questions. Great service.

    Sasha Barrese, London, UK: 
    Poker Refugees is a fantastic all in one service and resource for relocation, they exceeded my expectations in every aspect. Kristin is smart, reliable, a pleasure to work with and gets the job done expeditiously...Kristin understands how important it is to get online as soon as you have relocated. She made sure we were up and running on the various platforms by the first night in our new home.  There is NO WAY I would have been able figure all this stuff out on my own without losing weeks if not months of playing time. Poker Refugees is a valuable resource for all players - there is no point trying to do all the hard work on your own because Poker Refugees rates are affordable.Working with them feels like family :)

    Nick Coats, Rosarito, Mexico: 
    Poker Refugees was very helpful and made our first move out of the country much easier. Zoila was knowledgable about our city and Kristin was very attentive at every step in our relocation. Without this team, I do not think I would have ever been able to move my girlfriend and our dog out of the US, as they made moving to Mexico much easier then I could have ever expected

    Nick Desmedt, Windsor, Canada: 
    “Poker Refugees made my relocation easier and faster than I ever could have made it on my own. I found an out-of-this-world cheap room for rent.”- Nick Desmedt

    Lemagnif (PokerStars), Montreal (2013) & Playa del Carmen (2014):
    I used poker refugees to relocate from Florida to Montreal. I've been up here since Aug 2013 and without her help the transition definitely would have been more arduous. Kristin helped set up a Canadian bank account, Skrill account, and all the documents that i would need to send to Pokerstars so that I could start playing again. [In 2014, I moved from Canada to Playa del Carmen, Mexico.] Together with Kristin I was able to find a really great apartment for me and my dog that was conveniently located and in a safe neighborhood. Highly recommend to anyone who is considering relocation 

    James Romero, San Jose, Costa Rica:  
    Everything is great, thank you so much for help. You crush this stuff 

    Alex Sokolovsky, Malta: 
    I used Poker Refugees services to move from Israel to Malta, luckily for me Kristin was there at the same time.  She helped me tremendously, my relocation went through really smoothly and I had everything set up pretty much instantly.  Although she is one person handling many players cases at same time she was always there to help for any need or request I had.

    Seth LaFountain, Rosarito, Mexico: 
    I moved down to Rosarito on my own in November 2014. Everything was going great until I won a decent sized tournament on stars. Now they wanted me to verify my account. This process took almost a month and didn't even reach any significant conclusion. They wanted documents that I could not provide them (utility bills in my name, bank statements from down here). The reason I didn't have those two things was everything was still in my landlord's name and banks were turning me away saying I wasn't approved. I had no idea what their basis on that judgement was. Anyways, after a month, I heard about Poker Refugees Service and contacted them explaining my concerns. Kristin was able to help me get set up in a super easy and efficient manner. I think everything basically happened over the course of no more than two days. Now I'm verified on Stars, set up with eWallet services, and have a bank account down here to handle all my transfers. Thank you Poker Refugees!

    Brian Pinkus, Vancouver, Canada: 
    Just wanted to post a few thoughts about my recent move to Vancouver and to thank Poker Refugees for their help. After having a good WSOP I was bummed that I would likely be spending another year without online poker. Last year I missed online poker so much that I even logged into the play money tables just to see what it looked like and to see if my account was even still there. After logging in I was sad to see that my avatar was gone ;-(

    With the prospects for legislation dwindling yet again I suddenly realized I needed to get off this merry-go-round. Feeling the need to finally take the issue into my own hands I started doing some research, but after reading through several threads I was even more confused. Thankfully one of the threads talked about a company called Poker Refugees.

    The next day I was able to get Kristin from Poker Refugees on the phone. She was the first person that seemed to really be knowledgeable about the entire process. In addition unlike some of the threads, her general approach was "tell the truth". I wasn't about to go to a foreign country and lie to government officials as some suggested. Shortly after our conversation we set the date for my move. With Kristin's guidance she made the entire process truly effortless.

    I can't explain the feeling that I had this weekend as I logged in for the first time and up popped my old avatar!!! I felt truly blessed sitting at my new desk playing WCOOP while watching boats in the harbor. Obviously my choice isn't for everyone, but for me I just decided to stop waiting for someone else to do something about it. I feel as if a friend has returned that I haven't seen in years. Lastly, if you can't tell by now I'm extremely grateful to Kristin for the hard work that she put into my move. I'm really rooting for her to do well given how far above and beyond she went in helping to process my move. If you are looking for help I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Poker Refugees!

    Matt Watkins, Playas del Coco, Costa Rica: 
    You’ve done a wonderful job, and if i am able to return i will be sure to contact you.

    SlickDonkey, San Jose, Costa Rica, TwoPlusTwo Forum Review: 
    Hey, I just wanted to give another excellent review to Kristin and the whole PokerRefugees gang. I just did a relocation to Costa Rica with the primary purpose of opening a bank account. After I did my own research, I realized how difficult it is to open an account there and that is when I found out about PokerRefugees. I also heard bad stories of people dealing with the realtors down there. 

    With Poker Refugees I saved an abundance of time on both the bank account and housing aspect of my trip. It may not have even been feasible to open a bank account there on my own without their service. I also had no headaches when it came to finding a lease or any anxiety that I could get scammed.

    Kristin was extremely thorough with handling my situation and literally every small detail  of the trip was outlined. This even included the best places to eat, bars, entertainment, etc, pertaining to my location. 

    I was picked up at the airport by their driver, Minor. He was a great guy and even took me grocery shopping before dropping me off at my apartment. The next day, [a Poker Refugees rep] took me to the bank with all the necessary documents and I had an account opened in literally 30-45 minutes. He then took me to the nearby mall where I was able to purchase a backup internet stick and a cell phone with the help of his translation. So I had all this accomplished within a day of arrival. I also was able to get my Skrill and Neteller running again and with instant VIP status on both thanks to Kristin's reference.

    Again, the whole process is totally smooth and painless. I had a few doubts going in, but my expectations were exceeded and was very happy with the service.

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    POKER REFUGEES PLAYER TESTIMONIALS FROM ANONYMOUS FEEDBACK SURVEYS:  

    Anonymous, Canada: 
    You guys were great. Even with all the travelling and moving around I was impressed with your response times effort. I don't know how you keep the hours you do but I was impressed. And not only do you offer great service but you obviously have the connections to get through to the gatekeepers. I wasn't expecting that but I felt like I got the VIP treatment. I appreciate all the hard work. I will leave more of a testimonial on the other link but just wanted to convey my gratitude here. Thanks!!!

    Anonymous, Costa Rica: 
    I saved a ton of time and money by using Poker Refugees. I would absolutely recommend them to a friend or use them again should the need ever arise. Kristin and her staff were great and answered all of my questions promptly. Using Poker Refugees definitely eases the stress that comes with moving to an unfamiliar country.

    Anonymous, Costa Rica: 
    I had a good experience. The internet was shaky at first before getting fixed, but I was expecting such hassles and it was very comforting knowing Kristin would be there to assist me with any troubles. The price is expensive but not overly so. I'd say it's well worth the money. 

    Anonymous, Mexico: 
    I really appreciated Poker Refugees helping me set up my bank accounts, Neteller and Skrill accounts the first day so I could be up and running by my second day here.  Kristin made me feel welcome to the city and gave me advice about restaurants, how to interact with the locals, and what I could do to speak better Spanish.  It wasn't only a poker relocation.  It was a CULTURE relocation.  Me gusta Kristin mucho!

    Anonymous, Canada: 
    With no idea where to begin, Poker Refugees made moving to a foreign country seem like something I have done several times before. Poker Refugees ensured a seamless transition so I could focus solely on studying and grinding, saving me an extreme amount of time. Simply put, they are awesome. 

    Anonymous, Costa Rica: 
    Hugely appreciative of Poker Refugees services!

    Anonymous, Costa Rica: 
    Had very high expectations going in, and they were exceeded.  Thanks a ton!

    Anonymous, Costa Rica: 
    Kristin and her team are awesome. There is no way I could have done this without Poker Refugees. There are so many moving parts to getting relocated and set up to play poker. Poker Refugees handles it all. I was playing the next morning after arriving. 

    Anonymous, Costa Rica: 
    I am so glad I hired your services!

    Anonymous, Mexico: 
    Amazing service, glad you're there to help 

    Anonymous, Costa Rica: 
    I saved a ton of time and money by using Poker Refugees. I would absolutely recommend them to a friend or use them again should the need ever arise. Kristin and her staff were great and answered all of my questions promptly. Using Poker Refugees definitely eases the stress that comes with moving to an unfamiliar country.

    Anonymous, Canada: 
    I greatly appreciated the assistance with relocating. While I probably could have found a property on my own (though not as effectively), getting the necessary paperwork together for the bank and poker sites was a huge time saver. 

    Anonymous, Mexico: 
    Poker Refugees made my move to Mexico seem almost seamless when it was a very big life transition for me to make. Kristin took care of the most important aspects of relocation which were property rental, banks for activation, and coordinating everything to make sure I was back and playing in no time! I arrived at night and the next morning I was already approved on all the sites I needed. I could not have done this without Poker Refugees and I thank Kristin and the team so much! I will definitely be contacting them if I ever decide to move again!

    Anonymous, UK: 
    You guys are perfect. You exceeded all my expectations. 

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    Whenever we are having a challenging day, we just read some of these testimonials to remind ourselves why we work so hard! 

    Thank you to all the players (anonymous and otherwise) out there who have shared your genuine opinions on the Poker Refugees relocation service. We appreciate your time! 

    Want help relocating yourself? Drop us a line here. 

    500 Players Relocated
    Poker Refugees



    Player Interview: Gus Voelzel: Playa del Carmen, Mexico

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    You may have heard about Playa del Carmen, Mexico before, and that's because it's awesome. Playa del Carmen could possibly be one of the most ideal and convenient places for poker players to live south of the border. Why? Think 75 poker players living within 10 blocks of each other, a 24/7 partying beach lifestyle, and delivery of any food you want at any hour. Even if you're looking for a quiet, tropical abode, 'Playa' (as it's affectionately called) has something for everyone. 

    Not only is Playa a magnetic place for US players who move for a month and stay for a year, but there are also players from many countries throughout Europe and other areas of Mexico who are drawn to the sunny weather, beach culture and amenities. 

    Long-time poker local and online cash player, Gus Voelzel, spares a few minutes to sing the praises of this tropical poker paradise and tell us about his experience about what life is really like, and how living there has changed his. 

    Gus loves poker and Dr. Pepper

    Name: Gus Voelzel

    Years playing online poker: I first played online on Party Poker in 2004.
    Types of games you play: Cash games (Full Ring & 6max), with some tournaments on Sundays
    Current location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico 
    How many months after Black Friday did you decide to move? 
    It took me 9 months to move, not because I wasn't prepared to go much sooner, but I was in a relationship at the time and was holding out faint hopes that internet poker would be back in the US quickly, as has been successfully done in many European countries... [alas - we hear the US government doesn't move so fast]

    What were the most challenging parts about getting set up in Playa when you first arrived?
    The most challenging part of Playa is playing poker instead of going to the beach during the day and going out at night.  

    Players hitting the beach instead of the poker tables

    Gus & Friends Relaxing After a Long Session





    Actually, undoubtedly, the biggest obstacle in Playa is finding a place to live, because the realtors, property management companies, and owners tend to do everything they can to keep their places empty instead of occupied. 

    [Editor's Note: That's where Poker Refugees can come in handy - to act as the buffer and representative who can effortlessly relocate you to your Playa dream home sans realtor mierda (bullshit in English)]
      
    When online poker comes back in the US, do you think you will want to move back immediately or has living abroad changed your perspective on “home”?
    When online poker comes back in the States I won't be on the first plane back, but it won't take me long.  I'll probably finish out my lease here and arrange to get what I currently have online back to the US before I just jump ship and head back to Texas. As much as I enjoy living in Playa, Austin will always be home and I look forward to the day I can be back there again.

    On any given day, where can you find poker players in Playa?
    During the day they're either at the beach or at home grinding.  Most nights people will meet up for dinner or to watch a sporting event (Playa's a small town and we pretty much all live within 10 blocks of one another) followed by the inevitable night out on the town.

    Party Life in Playa
    What makes Playa such a great place for poker players to live? 

    For a lot of these guys, it's their first time out of the US.  They don't speak Spanish for example.  But Playa, being a tourist town, caters to English speakers. There's a food delivery service that is English speaking, and there's a large poker community here, so life, in general, is as easy as it gets. 
    The beach is obviously a bonus and as small as Playa is, our group is recognizable and accepted by the other locals.

    What type of activities are there to do besides grind?
    Fishing, snorkeling/SCUBA, various Mayan ruins, cenotes (ancient sinkholes you can snorkel and Scuba in), golf, paintball, beach volleyball, basketball

    Snorkeling in Akumal Bay

    What's the best club in town? 
    Depends on the time of year, but the most popular are Mandala and Coco Maya.  There's Coco Bongo for the tourists, and Palazzo, Blue Parrot, Santanera & Reina Roja can all be good nights out.


    Typical Day-in-the-Life


    Approximately how many players call Playa home on average?

    Counting the ones who are in Vegas right now and are coming back after the WSOP, I think there are 75 grinders here.  We've had another dozen or so who have come and gone.

    How can poker players stay out of jail? (LOL!)
    By staying out of trouble? It's pretty hard to go to jail here, as the police expect there to be drunken tourists walking the streets.  Don't get in fights, don't have a crazy girlfriend, & don't pee in the streets seem to be the best 3 pieces of advice re: staying out of jail.

    How many Skype groups do you guys have down there, anyway? 
    Too many.  Although at this point they've become necessary due to the sheer number of guys in the chat.  We used to have one all-encompassing group chat, but as our population exploded, we added an Activities Chat, a Food Chat, and a number of other specialized chats.

    Any last words? 

    Moving to Playa has be a very pleasant experience.  I really didn't know what to expect before coming, even though I was lucky enough to have a friend, Spencer Hudson, be the guinea pig and make the move first, so when I got down here I literally instantly was introduced to the poker community.  I've learned a lot not just about poker, but about people since I've been down here, and I'm glad I chose Playa as my poker destination as opposed to the other 6 places on my list. 

    If you want to learn more about Playa del Carmen, check out this handy PokerNews guide here, and hit up Poker Refugees, of course, to snag a sweet beachfront grindhouse for yourself. Long-term studio rental prices can start at $400/month and high rollers can find oceanfront/ocean view condos for $2500-4000/month. 

    SALUD! CHEERS!

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    Poker Refugees Player Interview – 

    Dan Smallidge




    Poker Name/types of games you play: Heads up Pot Limit Omaha

    How many years have you played online poker? 7.5 years as my primary source of income 9 total years

    Which sites do you play on the most? Stars and Full Tilt - Before Black Friday Absolute - Before the UIGEA Paradise

    You first moved to Costa Rica through Poker Refugees in 2011 where you lived in a beachfront condo with 2 roommates we matched you with from elsewhere around the United States (Adam Ross who we also interviewed for the Poker Refugees blog& Gino Levrini). How was your experience living abroad for the first time?

    It was a much easier transition than I imagined [with Poker Refugees].  It helped a lot that I spoke some Spanish, but really having 30 other poker players in Jaco was the reason it was so easy to adjust.

    You've since traveled quite a bit; what are some countries where you've played online poker? Costa Rica, Guatemala, Malta, Mexico, S. Korea

    How was it moving a second time (or third or fourth time) once your poker “foundation” was set back in 2011?

    I think the hardest part of the process would have been the initial unlocking of your account.  After that moving around was easy.  Costa Rica, Malta, and Mexico were all really cool places to live because of the poker communities there.  It really makes a big difference having other grinders to talk to / hang out with.

    What are some of the highlights of living the life of a poker expatriate abroad?

    Meeting my current girlfriend in Costa Rica. 

    Dan & his girlfriend travel in Panama
    Meeting tons of other poker players - I can't emphasize this enough.  I was never very involved in the poker community while playing in the states and I only knew a few other poker players from my area, but moving abroad I have met so many other really good players and made a lot of really good friends.

    Looks like Dan is enjoying life these days!


    In Costa Rica I went ziplining, went to several volcanoes / national parks / waterfalls, and went whitewater rafting. I also learned to surf in Costa Rica.

    Exploring Costa Rica
    In Guatemala I visited some Mayan ruins and hiked up an active volcano.

    Hiking Mayan ruins in Guatemala's rainforests

    Has your perspective on “home” changed or are you still waiting for poker to become legalized in the US to move back?

    I wouldn't say my perspective on "home" has changed.  I'd still like to return to the US once poker is legalized and regulated, but I would definitely say my perspective on living abroad has changed.  It wasn't nearly as scary or difficult as I originally thought it would be.

    Watching a baseball game in SKorea!
    You met a girlfriend in Costa Rica; do you guys still have a long distance relationship and what advice would you give to players with significant others at home? 

    We are actually both in Korea now, but I was on my own in Malta for three months while I was waiting for her to jump through all sorts of hoops in order to get an English teaching position in Korea.  Skype made it easy for me to see her and talk to her every day, but obviously you still miss the physical intimacy.

    What is a normal day-in-the-life like for you?

    Since I play HU cash I have a lot of freedom with my schedule.  I tend to play a lot of short sessions and take a lot of breaks.  In my free time I like to play sports, hang out with my friends and girlfriend, read, and play video games.  It's been pretty easy to make friends and find activities to keep me busy everywhere I've been. 

    Where to next? I'm currently in Korea [and staying for the time being].  My girlfriend has a job teaching English here.  This has definitely taken me the farthest out of my comfort zone, since I don't speak any Korean, but it's actually pretty easy to get by.  Unfortunately, there isn't much of a poker community here.

    Poker Refugees wishes you the best Dan; good luck in both online poker and life with your significant other!

    Poker Refugees Announces Special Neteller Service

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    In our effort to continually provide services that are valuable and useful to online poker players worldwide, we're excited to announce a special, new service to help players open NETELLER accounts. 

    This is ideal for players who: 
    • Live outside the US & Canada
    • Had a NETELLER account years ago but it was closed for whatever reason
    • Have not been able to get verified by NETELLER since relocating offshore
    • Would benefit from a Net+ debit card to instantly access online funds
    • Have maxed out their Skrill limits or want additional cash-out/deposit options and flexibility
    • Want VIP Status without the hassle of notarizing documents

    Even if you are American living abroad and had trouble opening an account in the past, we now have a way to approve US players (again, who are OUTSIDE the US) quickly and through a unique process.

    Included in the Poker Refugees Service: 
    • Open your account in less steps
    • Automatic Silver VIP Status http://www.neteller.com/vip
    • Special dedicated customer service executives for "Poker Refugees"
    • Transfer limits of up to $400k/mo
    • Net+ Debit Card & Virtual Card that can be used anywhere in the world, including the US (We can FedEx it to you if you live in a 3rd world country with poor mail service) http://www.neteller.com/personal/get-a-prepaid-card/
    • No foreign bank account needed to verify your account and use the Net+ Debit Card
    • Immediate access to your funds when you don't feel like waiting on a wire/bank transfer
    • More options to Upload funds and Cash out http://www.neteller.com/fees/

    Accounts are usually verified within 1-2 business days. 


    To sign up: email your request to vip@pokerrefugees.com 



    Win A FREE Poker Relocation with Poker Refugees

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    If you’ve ever heard of Poker Refugees, you know this company’s passion is to help online poker players and sports bettors continue their careers in countries all over the world. We started this mission just after Black Friday in 2011, and August is the two-year anniversary of the company's official launch.

    In the spirit of helping you do what you love the most — play online poker — we'd like to give one of you a free relocation to one of Poker Refugees’ most popular country destinations.

    Choose between the following locations, and you could be logging into your favorite poker sites from paradise very soon!

    What is Poker Refugees?
    Poker Refugees was founded in response to the needs of U.S. online poker players to continue grinding on international sites like Pokerstars. The company has helped nearly 300 online poker players and sports bettors get set up in foreign countries since Black Friday. Originally inspired by U.S. players who were essentially forced to move, Poker Refugees has since broadened its services, helping poker players from countries all over the world with a variety of travel-related, concierge, and consulting services. The company’s diverse and bilingual team helps players get set up fast and easy in many countries outside the U.S. where online poker and sports betting are legal. The service is 100% completely customized to serve the needs of online gambling professionals.


    Here’s what you win:
    One life-changing opportunity to travel outside your home country and play online poker.
    You’ll receive the Poker Refugees Full Relocation Service, completely free, a value of up to $2,500. Depending on where you move, we’ll document your journey either in person or through photos, video and Skype interviews for other players to share in your experience.


    Here’s how to win:
    You can win in just two easy steps, and the winner will be randomly selected. Please note that you must complete both of these two requirements to be a valid entry:

    1. Fill out the online entry form by clicking here.

    2. Interact via social media: Spread the word about this free giveaway on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook (must choose at least one platform).

    Or simply like the Poker Refugees Facebook page or post on their wall that you entered the competition.

    Below are a couple sample tweets and Facebook blurbs to get you started:
    • I want a free poker relocation to __________ http://bit.ly/16Gnkoa @PokerRefugees
    • I’m ready to win a trip to play online poker with @PokerRefugees! http://bit.ly/16Gnkoa
    • .@PokerRefugees is giving away a FREE poker relocation! I entered here: http://bit.ly/16Gnkoa
    • Can’t wait to play on PokerStars again with @PokerRefugees!

    You can share as much as you’d like and use any wording you’d like as long as your post either (a) Tags #PokerRefugees or @PokerRefugees, or (b) contains one of the links to the contest entry form or giveaway (links may be shortened):

    The fine print:
    1. You can enter to win via our online entry form and sharing on any social media platform.
    2. Tweets, Instagram, and Facebook shares must contain either #PokerRefugees hashtag or tag @PokerRefugees, or shortlink to either of these contest pages.
    3. Entry deadline is 12 a.m. EST on Sunday, Sept. 1, 2013, and the winner will be announced shortly thereafter.
    4. The definition of the “Full Relocation Service” is detailed and can be found by clicking here.
    5. Winner is responsible for paying his or her own: passport application, airfare, rent, security deposit, bills & utilities, funding online bank roll and/or poker and gaming sites, any fees related to applying for a visa or other country-specific requirements and other living expenses detailed in the Poker Refugees sign-up forms.
    6. The winning entry will be randomly selected.
    7. The winner must sign the Poker Refugees waiver and sign up forms in order to receive the service.
    8. The prize expires within one year of the date of issue and must be claimed by 12 a.m. EST on Sept. 1, 2014.
    9. The winner agrees for his real or online screen name to be used in future Poker Refugees-related media.
    10. The winner agrees for his relocation to be documented by Poker Refugees; this may include a video or recorded Skype interview.
    11. The destination chosen must be a location served by Poker Refugees.
    12. *Special consideration for the destination of Panama: Full Relocation Service does not include third-party assistance to open a bank account. This is available with an additional fee that varies depending on legal and translation services retained.

    Visit www.PokerRefugees.com for more info.

    Are you a Foreigner in Costa Rica?

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    Tax firms and CPA plan seminar for U.S. citizens in Escazu, Costa Rica

    A new, innovative Costa Rican legal services company, Essentials, has recently entered into a joint venture with a long-established United States tax and accounting firm, U.S. Tax and Accounting Services S.A., and a Costa Rican certified public accountant, Jorge Granados, to put together an informational seminar for U. S. citizens and permanent residents living in Costa Rica.

    They will be presenting an informational seminar this Wednesday, Aug. 28, at the Hotel Wyndham Gardens in Escazú at 4 p.m.

    Essentials was founded in 2010 by Costa Rican attorneys and a U. S. financial analyst to provide legal services specifically for U. S. citizens and green card holders residing in Costa Rica.

    U.S. Tax and Accounting Services, S.A.,  was founded over 15 years ago in Rohrmoser by Enrolled Agent Randall Lindner to provide tax and accounting services to U. S. citizens living around the world.

    The legal, accounting, and regulatory environment has become increasingly complex in Costa Rica and in the United States. U.S. citizens and green card holders have unique challenges complying with Costa Rican law and complying with their new U.S. tax obligations as expatriates.

    These professionals are working to put together an informational seminar to help U.S. citizens with all of the various issues they may face. Scheduling individual meetings with a Costa Rican attorney, a Costa Rican CPA, and a U. S. tax accountant would cost several hundred dollars in consultation fees. However, this joint seminar will be priced at only $40 per person or $60 per couple for advanced registration, or $50 per person at the door, the firms said.



    Essentials, U.S. Tax and Accounting, and Jorge Granados are presenting the informational seminar Wednesday, Aug. 28, at the Hotel Wyndham Gardens in Escazú at 4 p.m. For more information or for registration, those interested can contact Jimena Ramirez at 8370-0373 or jramirez@essentialscr.com.

    Player Interview: Katie Stone, Mexico

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    Player Interview: Katie Stone - Rosarito, Mexico


    Katie Stone is a name to be reckoned with these days, both on and off the felt. Whether it's poker, chess, basketball or yoga, this chica does it all. 

    Look out for this Stars avatar...

    The active 'Grindette' (read about them here on Bluff Mag) may possibly be having more fun than just about anyone south of the border. She has a sweet ocean view pad, poker-playing and ultra-nice boyfriend by the name of Joey Cappuccio, a plethora of cute dogs & cats hanging around and of course, a close-knit community of friends and other grinders in the neighborhood. 

    What more could a person need (besides perhaps her own reality TV show)!? Let's find out!

    Katie & the Grindettes repping the female factor in Rosarito


    Poker Name/types of games you play: Katie75013 on most sites. I play mtts, mostly $55's and under as well as the Sunday majors and bigger buyins during WCOOP, FTOPS etc.

    How many years have you played online poker and how did you start? 

    I dabbled a bit in 2005/06 on Party but was mostly playing live for the first few years, then got on Stars mid-2009 and went full time online January 2010.

    Which sites do you play on the most? Stars& FTP.

    Do you feel like the games have changed a lot since Black Friday and how so?  

    I feel like in general people are better and it’s more difficult to be profitable while auto-piloting. I have had to reduce the number of tables I play now and I also have to study way more than I have ever had to in the past. 

    Hahaha :)

    You lived in Las Vegas for some time after Black Friday. What made you decide to choose moving to Rosarito from Vegas?   

    I feel really lucky that Rosarito is so close and easily accessible from major poker cities LA and Vegas. It was a no-brainer for me when I finally decided to move. Being in Rosarito allows me to get back into the US quickly if necessary and also makes it easy to go play live tournaments every now and again.

    You also drove your car down from Vegas; do most players have a car down there?   

    I think it’s 50/50. A lot of poker players move around and are in one place for 6 months and then go to another city or country, so many don’t have cars simply because of the logistical challenges. But for me it’s great and works well with my living situation. 

    Mexico has an inconsistent rep as being dangerous. How do you feel living there as a female poker player? 

    Morning Yoga @ Katie's Deck
    I feel safer walking around my residential complex at night in Rosarito than I did living in a nice, gated community in Vegas. 

    Of course, there are unsafe parts in Mexico, but just like in the US, you avoid unsafe areas and stay in the safe ones! Same thing applies here. I have definitely found that in general people are nicer here than in the US, which also probably influences my feeling of being safe.






    You guys have a really tight community in Rosa; what’s a normal day for local players like? 

    ¡Fiesta en Rosa!

    What do you do after poker and where do you hang out? 

    Typically play 4-5 days per week, play for 8 hours or so and then either make dinner at home or go down the street to get some amazing tacos or fish or some really amazing pizza from Ollie’s Pizza! We usually see other poker players at any restaurant we go to as well, so that’s always fun.





    Dinner Party - Mexico Poker Frat Style

    What are some of the highlights of living the life of a poker expatriate abroad? 

    I love where I live and the culture and the people. I never would have experienced this otherwise, and so this is the silver lining of Black Friday for me. I am living in the most relaxing and beautiful place I have ever lived which also happens to be the cheapest place I have ever lived. 

    Has your perspective on "home" changed since this experience or are you planning to move back to the US/Vegas anytime soon?

    Honestly, I don’t feel like I have a “home” anymore, and that may be sad to some, but for me it’s ok. I have a leased villa in Rosarito and a storage unit with all my belongings in Vegas and that's it. Maybe my true home is Houston where my mom is? Or the Jersey Shore where the rest of my family is and is where I grew up? I don’t know. But I am comfortable with this transient lifestyle and try to focus on the positives.

    I'm sure many players can relate to that feeling; but that's part of the fun too! 

    What is the cost of living like in Rosa? You have a sick house with an ocean view that's amazing!

    Cost of living is low. My villa costs a lot for Rosarito but with roommates, which is how most poker players live, it’s very affordable. My monthly expenses including food, rent, utilities living here in Rosarito are < $1k.


    Wow that is cheap. How is your Internet connection?

    Internet where I live is great. It’s why I chose to live here.  I definitely have a back-up internet connection and some poker players have 2 back-up connections, but in general I have found it to be good and the management at my complex has always been helpful and understanding when issues do arise.




    Any words of wisdom or advice to players who are thinking of moving abroad?

    My advice would be to have an open mind. People in general who have only lived inside the US and/or have not traveled extensively can be a little impatient with the differences they experience. But just give it a little time and try to adjust to the way of life and see the positives in new cultures. I can definitely say that I enjoy Rosarito life way more than United States life.

    Safe to say even the puppies like living on Mexico's beaches...


    Thanks for sharing your story, Katie! 

    Best of luck to you and look forward to crossing paths again soon!

    Player Interview: Mazin Khoury msauce

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    Player Interview: Mazin Khoury, Canada


    Mazin Khoury, also known as @msauce_ on Twitter and msauce on 2+2 is now a veteran of the poker expatriate community. Mazin first moved offshore in July 2011 and currently calls downtown Vancouver home. He's known by his friends for bubbling a lot of final tables.




    Hometown: Durham, North Carolina


    Current location: Vancouver, Canada


    Years playing online poker & how you started: About 4. I started with play chips on FTP in 2007


    Types of games/stakes played: Mid-high stakes NL 6max + some tournaments


    What are all the places have you lived since Black Friday? Toronto, CA; Escazu, Costa Rica; Vancouver, CA


    What is your favorite destination so far and why? Vancouver; it's great


    How many months after Black Friday did you decide to move? 1 month; I went to Vegas for WSOP then up to Toronto where I lived with a roommate [also a poker player]




    What was the hardest part about your decision to move? Was an easy decision for me but everyone has a different situation


    How many times has Poker Refugees helped you change locations? Twice


    How long did it take you to get set up the first time and how has your experience been in subsequent moves – easier, do you feel more comfortable now? It took me about a week to get setup in Toronto, would've been a lot longer but my friend had already gone through the process with Stars and helped me with everything. Costa Rica and Vancouver were about the same; Poker Refugees helped with the rental property, bank accounts and getting my security deposits back from shady landlords. 


    Do you play exclusively on Stars or which other sites do you like? Mostly Stars. Rarely FTP, 888, Party.


    You’ve won a few seats and packages in satellites on Pokerstars; what was your favorite Pokerstars tournament event experience in the past few years? I’ve only been to EPT Barcelona and the PCA. Both were fun. I cashed the PCA so I guess that one.



    On the way to Day 4 or 5 of PCA 2013




    Snacking on fruit at WSOP 2013

    Who has better food - Barcelona or Atlantis? 
    Easily Barcelona 

    What do you do when you're not playing poker? 
    Web development


    Any advice to players looking to move abroad? 
    It's hard to say because everyone has a different situation and should make their own decision. 


    Thanks Mazin and gl out there!






    Poker Refugees Announces Winner of the Free Relocation Giveaway

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    Congratulations to Brady 'BAustinMC' Austin from Mill Creek, Washington, the long-awaited winner of the FREE RELOCATION GIVEAWAY!




    Since we notified Brady of his selection as the winner of the free giveaway, he has been on the road a lot traveling with family & friends and busy playing live poker. We finally got ahold of him to learn more about him, his plans for moving to play online and for him to officially accept the prize. 

    Meet Brady:

    He originally heard about the Free Relocation Giveaway through friends, and is looking to relocate with them to a place that's close to the border of the US - either Vancouver or Mexico. 

    Since Black Friday, Brady has only been playing poker part-time, mostly live tournaments within the United States. He has many online poker friends who have been living in places like Thailand, Singapore, Mexico and Panama


    He has been fortunate to visit his friends in other countries and travel to such places like: Phuket, Macau's live poker scene, Panama City for LAPT, and the Bahamas for PCA. 

    Brady says, "...My most of all favorite was The Bahamas for the PCA where my lifelong friend and famous online grinder Joel "JMPRODIGY" Micka placed 2nd in the Main Event for 1.2 million dollars. We can been see in the TV episodes drinking and getting pretty rowdy on the rail!" 

    Brady and Friends at PCA 2013


    In his normal, day-to-day life he notes "When i'm not traveling or playing live poker I run a mattress company part time in the Seattle area where I have around 10 stores I operate at the moment."

    "I played mid stakes 9man SNG's on FTP and RUSH POKER and it's good to hear I'll hopefully been getting the money I had in my account they owe me in the next couple months. I don't see myself getting back on FTP [rather] just sticking with Pokerstars where I'll play mid stakes MTT's and Sunday Majors, but mainly focus on ZOOM poker."

    Brady says he's "definitely relocating" for online poker but doesn't know an exact time yet of when he'll be able to. 

    "I'm waiting on my friends who are currently playing and living in abroad in Australia to see where they are trying to move next which is probably gonna be Canada but could also be Mexico or Costa Rica." 

    Canada, Costa Rica and Mexico are all Poker Refugees Destinations so we look forward to helping him with his journey back to online poker when the time comes!



    Player Interview: Tyler Phillips, Budapest, Hungary

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    Tyler & Poker Roommate Hayden

    Tyler and his roommate, Hayden, were our first clients to relocate to Budapest, Hungary and turns out it's an awesome place to live (I'm part Hungarian so I'm biased, but really - it's great). Good internet "I rarely had any problems with our internet connection", low cost of living/rent compared to other EU destinations and a close-knit poker community check most of the boxes in our opinion. Also - pretty good food (did someone say apple strudel??). 

    Just take your time with learning the language! For fun, because we're nerds, we take a peek at the longest word in Hungarian (with 44 letters) below. 


    Poker Name/types of games you play:

    I was introduced to poker back in 2009 and played MTTs almost exclusively up to Black Friday. When I first started living in Budapest I still played MTT's but that changed quickly when I met some really talented cash game players that also relocated to Budapest. They coached me and now I currently play mid-stakes cash games. 


    You and your roommate decided to move to Budapest Hungary so he could study while playing poker; had you ever been to Europe before?

    This was my first time going to Europe so naturally I was a bit nervous, especially since I'd be living there for an extended period.  


    How did you find the experience with Poker Refugees regarding getting set up in your new home, with a bank account and back on Pokerstars?

    From securing an apartment, to helping us with Stars document verification and setting up bank accounts, Poker Refugees was a huge help with virtually every facet of the relocation. About three weeks prior to the move, I communicated with Kristin almost daily and she answered all of my questions. In addition, she did heaps of research to ensure our relocation was as seamless as possible. 

    Thanks Tyler! Happy to be of help! :) 


    Was your roommate able to balance school with playing online poker?

    Yeah I think he did a pretty good job with it. I know his program wasn't too rigorous so that afforded him a ton of time to play. 


    How long did it take you to adjust to life in Budapest?

    There was definitely some culture shock when we first arrived mainly because wherever you walk people are speaking a language that is impossible to understand for English speakers. In 99% of situations there wasn't a problem with the language barrier, as most everyone speaks English as their second language. But within a week, I was used to it. 

    Enjoying the Scenery in Budapest


    Has living abroad changed your perspective on “home” or do you miss the US?

    I lived in Budapest for 6 months and as much as I enjoyed it, I did start to miss home, but that's natural I think. Within three weeks of coming back home to the US, I started to miss Budapest and my friends there. I wasn't much of a traveler prior to going to Europe, but after I visited several amazing places while abroad I've more or less caught the travel bug. 

    What are the best poker hangouts in Budapest and how many players live there?

    From my knowledge there are anywhere from 20-40 poker players living in Budapest that moved there from the US, UK, and various other European countries. I only met 7-10 of them and became close friends with a handful of them. Prior to when I arrived in Budapest, a relocated player from the US who I met on 2+2 invited me into a Facebook Group (aptly titled: "Budapest Meetup for Distinguished Gentlemen of Extraordinary Aptitude" we might add) that was solely for poker players living in Budapest. The Facebook group served as way for poker players to ask others questions or just to meet up and do things together.  As for the nightlife, there are a ton of awesome clubs and bars in Budapest, including one of my favorite places that had a open rooftop area with terrific views of the city.   

    Grinding away - in the customary poker attire (hoodies!)

    What makes Budapest such a great place for poker players to live?

    Budapest is very unique in the fact that it is quite modernized, yet very affordable. Everything from rent to food is probably about half the cost of the US. In other words, more is less. I rarely had any problems with our internet connection which is obviously a very important factor when it comes to choosing a place to live. I've heard of some places like Thailand where connection issues are a regular occurrence. Besides nightlife, there are plenty of things to do in Budapest--they have movie theaters, bowling alleys, golf courses, etc. 


    How did your friends and family react to your decision to move?

    For the most part I think everyone was excited for us to go. My parents couldn't have been any more supportive. 


    What advice would you give to someone who’s thinking of moving out of the US?

    Go. As for where to go, I think that Europe is a terrific place to start. If you want to travel, the diversity of cultures within a small geographical area is simply unbeatable. 


    What’s next in poker for you?  


    That's tough to say. I'd like to play some more live poker in the near future. I think I'll go back to Europe in the near future so maybe I'll play in an EPT or something. But for the most part, continuously getting better is probably my biggest goal. 


    Thanks for sharing your Europe experience with us, Tyler!


    Now for a language lesson! Fun Fact: According to Wikipedia, 
    Megszentségteleníthetetlenségeskedéseitekért, with 44 letters is one example of a long word in the Hungarian language and means something like "for your [plural] continued behaviour as if you could not be desecrated". Below, a nice local helps some lowly English speakers pronounce it:


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